Facsimilie autographs for Chrome

ryanhoward06 · Jan 9, 2009

After looking at Christian Friedrich's Chrome card, I am wondering how everyone would feel about doing away with the facsmilie autographs on Bowman Chrome cards? They could also insert some with the signature as a parall(sp, I know) like the ones in 2002.

The only problem I see with this is people selling IP autos as inserted autographs. Topps would just need to make sure they put certified autograph and a sticker on the back.

In case you haven't seen it here it is.

200lbhockeyplayer · Jan 9, 2009

They should definitely do away with the facsimile autographs throughout the Bowman line.

We really don't need to see a signature from a rookie contract of rookies, and especially not of veterans...Vlad Guerrero anyone?

I also believe that any rookie that is a chrome autograph, should have a non-autographed parallel - sort of an A/B version. Both will be considered part of the set, but it allows for additional potential quality base rookies.

sportscardtheory · Jan 9, 2009

Why fix what isn't broken...

i43770 · Jan 9, 2009

sportscardtheory said:
Why fix what isn't broken...

Isn't broken? If they are going to do facsimile autos, they should at least update them. Or make sure to actually put the facsimile auto on there, not just the players name.

Or this one from 04 Draft

scotty21690 · Jan 9, 2009

i43770 said:
sportscardtheory said:

Why fix what isn't broken...

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Isn't broken? If they are going to do facsimile autos, they should at least update them. Or make sure to actually put the facsimile auto on there, not just the players name.

That was Vlads signature back in the day....it has changed a lot.

Guest · Jan 9, 2009

scotty21690 said:
i43770 said:

sportscardtheory said:

Why fix what isn't broken...

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Isn't broken? If they are going to do facsimile autos, they should at least update them. Or make sure to actually put the facsimile auto on there, not just the players name.

Click to expand...

That was Vlads signature back in the day....it has changed a lot.

Don't they use the signature from their rookie contracts with Topps or something for these?

That makes sense in a lot of cases, like Spanish players. Because I'd say a lot of them can't speak much English when getting signed, let alone write it properly.

But I do think they should be UPDATED every once in a while, but not done away with.

bigalexx · Jan 9, 2009

Heck Yes! Ervin Santana still has "Johan Santana" as his fascimile signature. I guess he must've signed his rookie contract before he changed his name.

200lbhockeyplayer · Jan 9, 2009

bigalexx said:
Heck Yes! Ervin Santana still has "Johan Santana" as his fascimile signature. I guess he must've signed his rookie contract before he changed his name.

Santana is a bizarre case as I am not sure when he signed his contract with Topps. He changed his name before the 2003 season, and his first Topps card was in 2004.

FYI, These are from 2002...the last season he was known as "Johan"...

IP autograph from the 2002 Kernels team set

IP autograph on a foul game ball he pitched

cowboysrule48 · Jan 9, 2009

Sam Banks said:
scotty21690 said:

i43770 said:

sportscardtheory said:

Why fix what isn't broken...

Click to expand...

Isn't broken? If they are going to do facsimile autos, they should at least update them. Or make sure to actually put the facsimile auto on there, not just the players name.

Click to expand...

That was Vlads signature back in the day....it has changed a lot.

Click to expand...

Don't they use the signature from their rookie contracts with Topps or something for these?

That makes sense in a lot of cases, like Spanish players. Because I'd say a lot of them can't speak much English when getting signed, let alone write it properly.

But I do think they should be UPDATED every once in a while, but not done away with.

Why do people keep using this argument that holds no water? They letters in Spanish and English are exactly the same (except for a select minority, but even those are very very similar.) You're name doesn't change just because you are in an English speaking country. If I went to Mexico, I would sign my name exactly the way that I sign it here.

200lbhockeyplayer · Jan 9, 2009

cowboysrule48 said:
Why do people keep using this argument that holds no water? They letters in Spanish and English are exactly the same (except for a select minority, but even those are very very similar.) You're name doesn't change just because you are in an English speaking country. If I went to Mexico, I would sign my name exactly the way that I sign it here.

What should have been said is that the vast majority of the players signed from Latin America are extremely uneducated and often times cannot read and write fluently even in Spanish.

flightposite · Jan 9, 2009

I like them in Bowman. Bowman is "home of the rookie card" and this is a small tie to their beginnings in professional baseball.

Now, when they started doing it in Topps... I extremely hated it.

cgilmo · Jan 9, 2009

if there were enough opinions on this

I gotta think topps might look at changing something, I am sure they are reading.

ostrander111 · Jan 9, 2009

It is kind of dumb to call it an autograph when it literally says CONOR JACKSON

ryanhoward06 · Jan 9, 2009

cgilmo said:
if there were enough opinions on this

I gotta think topps might look at changing something, I am sure they are reading.

One thing I don't like about a lot of cards today is that the photography is often hidden. All companies have been doing this with either circle photos(IE Razor) or tiny pictures. I know sometimes you have to focus on the autograph but I feel the picture could still be bigger. Some of the photos are great and I just feel the facsimile hides it. People are going to buy there guy no matter what really, but a average collector at a shop might like the design and buy more. I have done this before with other products. The facsimile signatures I feel just takes away from the overall appearence.

Maybe make all the cards with out the signature and then maybe a green refractor with a facsimile numbered relatively low? Maybe make it a box loader for Bowman with Chrome since that is mostly a tough sell anyway?

Also since we are talking about card aesthetics, I would love to see the etching brought back. Also I might be alone on this but I liked the black border over the white ones.

nborton · Jan 9, 2009

ryanhoward06 said:
cgilmo said:

if there were enough opinions on this

I gotta think topps might look at changing something, I am sure they are reading.

Click to expand...

One thing I don't like about a lot of cards today is that the photography is often hidden. All companies have been doing this with either circle photos(IE Razor) or tiny pictures. I know sometimes you have to focus on the autograph but I feel the picture could still be bigger. Some of the photos are great and I just feel the facsimile hides it. People are going to buy there guy no matter what really, but a average collector at a shop might like the design and buy more. I have done this before with other products. The facsimile signatures I feel just takes away from the overall appearence.

Maybe make all the cards with out the signature and then maybe a green refractor with a facsimile numbered relatively low? Maybe make it a box loader for Bowman with Chrome since that is mostly a tough sell anyway?

Also since we are talking about card aesthetics, I would love to see the etching brought back. Also I might be alone on this but I liked the black border over the white ones.

Yeah, I like the etching too. I think the pictures are fine on bowman. Although, I do think sterling could use some help in making their photos larger or less like the landscape versions with the tiny picture a few years back (I think 05).

ryanhoward06 · Jan 9, 2009

Bumping this up for some more votes/responses since Topps might be watching.

Randy Shields · Jan 9, 2009

I'd have to agree with keeping them. Topps has been doing the facsimilie thing since they're inception so I don't think they're about to change anytime soon.

Speaking of they're inception, I really LIKE THIS CARD with it's facsimilie auto!

Adamsince1981 · Jan 9, 2009

I really like the facsimilie autographs...and I have that opinion even as a MiLB autograph seeker.

ryanhoward06 · Jan 12, 2009

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