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Bob Loblaw
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...what about Bowman Chrome? How will they find a way to screw over the hobby with this product?
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Jeff N. said:...what about Bowman Chrome? How will they find a way to screw over the hobby with this product?
matchpenalty said:No, Topps Chrome is fun cheap rip now. Only people pissed are preorder people, win some lose some doing that. Average Joe Collector should be very happy with low prices right now.
leatherman said:Can you please summarize what happened with Topps Chrome?
boxbreaker said:the stated content is off. 90% of boxes have 4 not numbered refractors instead of the six that was on the sales sheet. the great auto checklist got brutalized by adding 25 more autos that are not exciting to the hobby. this is a classic case of why sales at any cost is not a good plan.
based on what i have seen and busted i would not buy it for more than $40 per box. it really reminds me of 2008 bowman chrome.
markakis8 said:leatherman said:Can you please summarize what happened with Topps Chrome?
In a nutshell - people preordered cases based off one thing - Topps switched the checklist around, adding 100% more autos, etc - then prices of cases dropped (Strasburg getting hurt also helped) and now cases are available for much cheaper than what they were going for presell
Mighty Bombjack said:It is the nature of the beast in this business.
Topps makes their products MTO (made-to-order, which means they first print a sell sheet with projected checklist and chase card ratios, then distributors place their orders based on the sell sheet and perceived demand, and Topps prints and packages exactly the amount that was ordered.). This is a good business model and prevents them from cranking up the presses later if demand shoots up (a la certain former competitors). In this case, the stuff was ordered during Bowman's hype train, which meant that Topps had to up everything to meet demand. Unfortunately, that means adding a ton of less desirable autos to the checklist and spreading the refractors a little thinner. It probably also led to the lack of quality control (for which there should be no real excuse).
Topps was simply meeting the demand; it's just that demand CRASHED during product printing and packaging.
Mighty Bombjack said:It is the nature of the beast in this business.
Topps makes their products MTO (made-to-order, which means they first print a sell sheet with projected checklist and chase card ratios, then distributors place their orders based on the sell sheet and perceived demand, and Topps prints and packages exactly the amount that was ordered.). This is a good business model and prevents them from cranking up the presses later if demand shoots up (a la certain former competitors). In this case, the stuff was ordered during Bowman's hype train, which meant that Topps had to up everything to meet demand. Unfortunately, that means adding a ton of less desirable autos to the checklist and spreading the refractors a little thinner. It probably also led to the lack of quality control (for which there should be no real excuse).
Topps was simply meeting the demand; it's just that demand CRASHED during product printing and packaging.
JoshHamilton said:Don't you get basically 1 ref/x per pack in retail? That seems a lot better, even if autos are tougher
pigskincardboard said:Mighty Bombjack said:It is the nature of the beast in this business.
Topps makes their products MTO (made-to-order, which means they first print a sell sheet with projected checklist and chase card ratios, then distributors place their orders based on the sell sheet and perceived demand, and Topps prints and packages exactly the amount that was ordered.). This is a good business model and prevents them from cranking up the presses later if demand shoots up (a la certain former competitors). In this case, the stuff was ordered during Bowman's hype train, which meant that Topps had to up everything to meet demand. Unfortunately, that means adding a ton of less desirable autos to the checklist and spreading the refractors a little thinner. It probably also led to the lack of quality control (for which there should be no real excuse).
Topps was simply meeting the demand; it's just that demand CRASHED during product printing and packaging.
First, I'll say I haven't followed this situation that closely.
Now, what Topps did was all well and good but Topps obviously had to make the cards and procure more autographs. Based on the excuse that Topps always gives, "Athletes takes foreverz to sign," they should've known well in advance and an updated checklist should've been released.
They probably made the decision after the first week based on sales. To continue to provide a checklist that is knowingly false isn't covered by "subject to change w/o notice." At that point, they're knowingly deceiving the buyer.
brouthercard said:Honestly, though, this is still one of the BEST Topps chrome product that Topps has ever produced in baseball, and definitely the best since 2005.