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blanning71

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This is the kind of stuff this site has been lacking! Great question and discussion piece! I had no idea he was a line jumper. So was he a scab call up or was he playing in the Majors and then deserted to to the scab squad so he could play?
 
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mudflap02 said:
Kevin Millar was one of the replacement (or "scab") players that crossed the line and played during the 1994 players' strike. As such, he is permanently banned for membership from the MLBPA. How is it possible that he has cards produced? I'm just curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:M ... nt_players


I own this card, which features an MLBPA logo on the reverse.

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I would guess that since Topps signs players to individual contracts , that is how he got the card.
 
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I guess players in the minors (ie Bowman Prospects) are not members of the MLBPA either, but they have cards prior to joining the union. For some reason I was thinking that since Millar was blackballed, he was not eligible to be on MLBPA licensed products.
 
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Interesting that the logo is on the back of the card.

mudflap02 said:
I guess players in the minors (ie Bowman Prospects) are not members of the MLBPA either, but they have cards prior to joining the union. For some reason I was thinking that since Millar was blackballed, he was not eligible to be on MLBPA licensed products.
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he's not in any video games

from Wiki:
"Video game aliases

Kevin Millar is not a member of the MLBPA (Major League Baseball Players Association), and therefore his name or likeness may not be published in officially-licensed video games. Many games will nevertheless include him and other non-MLBPA players, with fictional names and different appearances. In MVP Baseball 2004, he was not included. In MVP Baseball 2005 and MLB Front Office Manager, Millar is replaced by "Anthony Friese". In Major League Baseball 2K5 and Major League Baseball 2K6, he is replaced by "Carlos Ahearn". In MLB 07: The Show and in MLB 08: The Show he is replaced by "Ivan Jimenez". In Major League Baseball 2K7, Major League Baseball 2K8 and Major League Baseball 2K9, Millar is replaced by "Kyle Morgan", with the same initials. In MLB Power Pros 2008 he is replaced by "Great Johnson". In MLB 09: The Show , on the online roster update, he is replaced by "Dave Herman". In MLB Dugout Heroes, Millar is replaced by "Kane Matthews" with the same initials. In all instances, the statistics of these characters are based on the real Kevin Millar."
 
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From wikipedia...

In 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004, certain players who were part of the World Series-winning New York Yankees, Arizona Diamondbacks, Anaheim Angels and Boston Red Sox were not permitted to have their names or likenesses on commemorative merchandise because they had been declared replacement players for having participated in the 1995 spring training. The players who were noted are Shane Spencer of the 1998, 1999 and 2000 New York Yankees, Damian Miller of the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks, Brendan Donnelly of the 2002 Anaheim Angels and Kevin Millar of the 2004 Boston Red Sox.


The names or likenesses of replacement players, since they are not permitted to join the MLBPA, may not be published in officially-licensed video and tabletop games. Many games nevertheless include them, with blank or fictional names and different appearances.
 
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JoshHamilton

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To elaborate:

Topps began producing cards long before the MLBPA existed. Therefore, they had to sign each player to an individual contract, instead of signing a blanket contract with the player's union. This is why the can put minor league guys in their sets. They have a grandfather clause which allows them to continue to do this. This is the reason only Topps produced Bonds cards after he left the union. He signed an individual contract with Topps. This is the same reason why Topps (and only Topps) has produced Millar cards.

Upper Deck signs a blanket contract with the MLBPA which allows them to make cards of any player in the union. Since minor leaguers are NOT a member of the union until they play in the Majors and sign an MLBPA contract, UD can not produce cards of them until they're actually in the MLB. This is why Bonds has no UD cards after 2003. This is also why Millar has no UD cards period.

Now, everyone made the claim that UD was at an unfair disadvantage when it came to not being able to produce prospect cards, whereas Topps could.

Guess what?

You're wrong. Upper Deck COULD have signed minor leaguers to individual contracts exactly like Topps did. Nothing was technically stopping them in a legal or licensing sense (because those players weren't currently members of the MLBPA). MLBPA could have done nothing in a legal sense to prevent this. It's the same concept as UD signing retired players to individual contracts. The MLPBA can't prevent that either. Same with signing Millar as well

The reason UD didn't take this route and try to directly compete with Topps is because it would have ROYALLY pissed the MLBPA the F off. While the MLBPA couldn't have stopped it, they sure as hell could have refused to re-up their contract with UD when it expired, which would have effectively screwed UD in terms of producing baseball cards. It was more than likely a "Gentlemens agreement" for UD to not sign (actively playing) non-union guys
 
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JoshHamilton said:
To elaborate:

Topps began producing cards long before the MLBPA existed. Therefore, they had to sign each player to an individual contract, instead of signing a blanket contract with the player's union. This is why the can put minor league guys in their sets. They have a grandfather clause which allows them to continue to do this. This is the reason only Topps produced Bonds cards after he left the union. He signed an individual contract with Topps. This is the same reason why Topps (and only Topps) has produced Millar cards.

Upper Deck signs a blanket contract with the MLBPA which allows them to make cards of any player in the union. Since minor leaguers are NOT a member of the union until they play in the Majors and sign an MLBPA contract, UD can not produce cards of them until they're actually in the MLB. This is why Bonds has no UD cards after 2003. This is also why Millar has no UD cards period.

Now, everyone made the claim that UD was at an unfair disadvantage when it came to not being able to produce prospect cards, whereas Topps could.

Guess what?

You're wrong. Upper Deck COULD have signed minor leaguers to individual contracts exactly like Topps did. Nothing was technically stopping them in a legal or licensing sense (because those players weren't currently members of the MLBPA). MLBPA could have done nothing in a legal sense to prevent this. It's the same concept as UD signing retired players to individual contracts. The MLPBA can't prevent that either. Same with signing Millar as well

The reason UD didn't take this route and try to directly compete with Topps is because it would have ROYALLY pissed the MLBPA the F off. While the MLBPA couldn't have stopped it, they sure as hell could have refused to re-up their contract with UD when it expired, which would have effectively screwed UD in terms of producing baseball cards. It was more than likely a "Gentlemens agreement" for UD to not sign (actively playing) non-union guys
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Well said.
 
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Wasn't the bigger issue that UD couldn't show any MiLBers they could've signed the same way Bowman does: in MLB unis? This has to do with the MLB and not the MLBPA. Isn't this the bigger unfair advantage Topps had?

JoshHamilton said:
Now, everyone made the claim that UD was at an unfair disadvantage when it came to not being able to produce prospect cards, whereas Topps could.

Guess what?

You're wrong. Upper Deck COULD have signed minor leaguers to individual contracts exactly like Topps did. Nothing was technically stopping them in a legal or licensing sense (because those players weren't currently members of the MLBPA). MLBPA could have done nothing in a legal sense to prevent this. It's the same concept as UD signing retired players to individual contracts. The MLPBA can't prevent that either. Same with signing Millar as well

The reason UD didn't take this route and try to directly compete with Topps is because it would have ROYALLY pissed the MLBPA the F off. While the MLBPA couldn't have stopped it, they sure as hell could have refused to re-up their contract with UD when it expired, which would have effectively screwed UD in terms of producing baseball cards. It was more than likely a "Gentlemens agreement" for UD to not sign (actively playing) non-union guys
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JoshHamilton

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No. Team logo/nickname rights are licensed through MLB Properties

MLBP and MLBPA have nothing to do with each other, other than both being licensing arms for various sections of the MLB

Remember last year when UD "lost their license to produced baseball cards"? They lost their MLB Properties license to produce cards showing nicknames/logos - which they did not adhere to, but whatever. They still had their MLBPA license, which is why we saw a few early sets this year
 
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Very interesting.

He ONLY has cards made by Topps for his entire MLB career. Never knew that, I guess Rick Reed is the same.
 
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