Should I trade Hellickson? EDIT: I traded him.

I have a been in talks about a trade in my fantasy baseball league. Im trying to sure up my keepers for the upcoming season.

Would trading Hellickson in a deal like this be worth the time.

I offered a deal like this:

Dan Uggla
Ian Stewart
Eric Hosmer

for

Paul Konerko
Casey McGahee
Elvis Andrus
Dexter Fowler

The guys first said that Andrus would take alot. He said take out Stewart, Hosmer, Fowler and Andrus and where do we stand? I told him I really wanted Andrus in that deal to take the place of Tulo which I am trading away. He doesnt know that, but I am. He said I would have to add in Hellickson for that deal to go.

So do I move Hellickson to get the deal I wanted or should I keep him and get the smaller deal? Im not really sold on Hellickson(cause I know nothing bout him) and there is crap for SS coming up in the auction. I am taking CC, Lester and Bumgarner into the auction with me.

Any help would be great.

~AJ

Re: Should I trade Hellickson?

Hope you're getting something nice for Tulo! But I'd add Hellickson to get Andrus. Just my opinion.

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DWright5 said:

Hope you're getting something nice for Tulo! But I'd add Hellickson to get Andrus. Just my opinion.

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pitching is pretty easy to find speedy shortstops are not do it

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DWright5 said:

Hope you're getting something nice for Tulo! But I'd add Hellickson to get Andrus. Just my opinion.

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This is the other deal.

Mark Teixiera
Carlos Santana
Rickie Weeks
Madison Bumgarner

for

Troy Tulowitzki
Wilmer Flores
Jesus Montero

That allows me to trade Uggla to get Konerko, McGahee, Andrus and Fowler. I know that Jesus is a beast ect. ect., but I want to win now not wait for prospects to come up and getting Santana didn't really feel like a huge down grade.

~AJ

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ajbraves25 said:

DWright5 said:

Hope you're getting something nice for Tulo! But I'd add Hellickson to get Andrus. Just my opinion.

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This is the other deal.

Mark Teixiera
Carlos Santana
Rickie Weeks
Madison Bumgarner

for

Troy Tulowitzki
Wilmer Flores
Jesus Montero

That allows me to trade Uggla to get Konerko, McGahee, Andrus and Fowler. I know that Jesus is a beast ect. ect., but I want to win now not wait for prospects to come up and getting Santana didn't really feel like a huge down grade.

~AJ

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you did really well in the other trade.

Re: Should I trade Hellickson?

So you're going to be trading these away:

Troy Tulowitzki
Wilmer Flores
Jesus Montero
Dan Uggla
Ian Stewart
Eric Hosmer
Jeremy Hellickson

for these:

Mark Teixiera
Carlos Santana
Rickie Weeks
Madison Bumgarner
Paul Konerko
Casey McGahee
Elvis Andrus
Dexter Fowler

I'd be happy with that. I'm more of a fan of established players anyway. It seems I'm always losing when banking on young guys.

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DWright5 said:

So you're going to be trading these away:

Troy Tulowitzki
Wilmer Flores
Jesus Montero
Dan Uggla
Ian Stewart
Eric Hosmer
Jeremy Hellickson

for these:

Mark Teixiera
Carlos Santana
Rickie Weeks
Madison Bumgarner
Paul Konerko
Casey McGahee
Elvis Andrus
Dexter Fowler

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The deal in Red is done. Im still working with the other guy to get the other players. Now he is balking. I agreed to add in Hellickson, now he is saying no not in a deal like that. He wont make up his mind. It might just be Konerko and McGahee for Uggla.

~AJ

Re: Should I trade Hellickson?

Still not too bad getting Konerko and Mcgahee for Uggla. Along with what's already done. Hope you can fill your SS spot with someone good yet.

Re: Should I trade Hellickson?

DWright5 said:

Still not too bad getting Konerko and Mcgahee for Uggla. Along with what's already done. Hope you can fill your SS spot with someone good yet.

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I have Furcal on my roster, just not real big on making him a keeper, but if I have too...

~AJ

Re: Should I trade Hellickson?

ESPN or Yahoo?

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GiantsSuperCollector said:

ESPN or Yahoo?

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CBS. 5X5 roto Auction style keeper league with minor league rosters.

~AJ

Re: Should I trade Hellickson?

ajbraves25 said:

The deal in Red is done. Im still working with the other guy to get the other players. Now he is balking. I agreed to add in Hellickson, now he is saying no not in a deal like that. He wont make up his mind. It might just be Konerko and McGahee for Uggla.

~AJ

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I'd keep Uggla and shop elsewhere. In my opinion... (and I don't liek Uggla), but I wouldn't swap him unless I was getting a solid player in return. There's just not a lot of Middle infield options that have 4 straight years of 30+ homers. You know what you get with him. Given that Elvis Andrus has batted .265 for two consecutive years. Unless that guy was badly in need of Stolen bases, he should've been willing to work that deal with you. Andrus to Uggla is a pretty fair fantasy swap... probably even a step down for you considering that Uggla has hit for more runs, RBI, HRs, and sadly even a higher average than Andrus last year...

You are way more likely to end up with the Konerko from 2007, 2008, and 2009... than the Konerko from his 2010 contract year....

In terms of McGahee, I'm not a big believer in a 28 year old who had a breakout... generally... 27 is when hitters peak... it's not a good sign when a player has his first real year at 28. Mix in that he only batted over .275 only twice in the minors.. .I'd call last year the best he has to offer.

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Well three deals in the books and here is the total damage. I know that on the surface the second trade doesnt look as good, but it got me 2 keepers. Players I recieve are listed first.

Deal #1

Mark Teixiera
Carlos Santana
Rickie Weeks
Madison Bumgarner
(3rd round pick)

for

Troy Tulowitzki
Wilmer Flores
Jesus Montero
(2nd round pick)

I get 4 guys I can play right now and really don't take much of a cap hit.

Deal #2

Paul Konerko
Casey McGehee

for

Dan Uggla
Eric Hosmer
Jeremy Hellickson

#3

Francisco Liriano
(1st round pick)

for

Martin Prado
Ian Stewart
(4th round pick)


So in total here is what I am shipping out major league guys blue followed by minor league guys red:

Troy Tulowitzki
Martin Prado
Ian Stewart
Dan Uggla
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Jesus Montero
Eric Hosmer
Jeremy Hellickson
Wilmer Flores

Here is what I am getting in return major league guys blue followed by minor league guys red:

Mark Teixiera
Francisco Liriano
Carlos Santana
Rickie Weeks
Paul Konerko
Casey McGehee
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Madison Bumgarner

I basically got 7 Major League guys with Bumgarner already up for 4 Major League guys and 4 prospects and I only take on $8 in salary. I also traded away my 2nd round pick (#22 overall) and my 4th round pick (#46 overall) and getting a 1st round pick (#8 overall) and a 3rd round pick (#34 overall).

I will have the following picks in the prospect draft:
2 in 1st round (#3 and #8 overall)
0 in 2nd round
2 in 3rd round (#27 and #34 overall)
0 in 4th round
1 in 5th-8th rounds. (#s 51, 70, 75, 96 overall)

Those numbers could change because not everyone will have as many picks as I do. Some may only draft til the 4th round.

Good day in my book.

~AJ

People overrate the value of prospects in keeper leagues.

The best time to get them is after they have a mediocre season. Look at freakin Tommy Hanson and Brett Anderson, you could get them for cheap (comparatively, obviously) and you get the feeling both of them are primed for 3rd in Cy Young Votes.

pigskincardboard said:

People overrate the value of prospects in keeper leagues.

The best time to get them is after they have a mediocre season. Look at freakin Tommy Hanson and Brett Anderson, you could get them for cheap (comparatively, obviously) and you get the feeling both of them are primed for 3rd in Cy Young Votes.

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So how would you rate the day overall?

Just curious

~AJ

ajbraves25 said:

pigskincardboard said:

People overrate the value of prospects in keeper leagues.

The best time to get them is after they have a mediocre season. Look at freakin Tommy Hanson and Brett Anderson, you could get them for cheap (comparatively, obviously) and you get the feeling both of them are primed for 3rd in Cy Young Votes.

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So how would you rate the day overall?

Just curious

~AJ

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Oh, I'm a stats goof. I'd say that 75% of keeper leagues don't make it past 2 years, so a lot of the trades that look great on paper eat crap. It's also impossible to tell without league size, and waiver wire replacement players.

With all that jazz said, it looks like you did well. You can almost always find grade b prospects that produce to the level of someone like flores or montero. They may not be sexy but combine those guys with the Carlos Pena and Adrian Gonzalez of the world and your good to go.

pigskincardboard said:

ajbraves25 said:

pigskincardboard said:

People overrate the value of prospects in keeper leagues.

The best time to get them is after they have a mediocre season. Look at freakin Tommy Hanson and Brett Anderson, you could get them for cheap (comparatively, obviously) and you get the feeling both of them are primed for 3rd in Cy Young Votes.

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So how would you rate the day overall?

Just curious

~AJ

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Oh, I'm a stats goof. I'd say that 75% of keeper leagues don't make it past 2 years, so a lot of the trades that look great on paper eat crap. It's also impossible to tell without league size, and waiver wire replacement players.

With all that jazz said, it looks like you did well. You can almost always find grade b prospects that produce to the level of someone like flores or montero. They may not be sexy but combine those guys with the Carlos Pena and Adrian Gonzalez of the world and your good to go.

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This will be year 7 in 2011. League started in 2005. We expanded to 12 teams last season. $260 cap room at auction. $300 total cap to start the season. 24 active players and 5 bench. The extra $40 is for waiver claims or prospect bring ups. FA/Waiver guys are $10 and prospects are $5. This will be my 3rd season and I love it! I have the #3 overall pick in the upcoming prospect draft and I will have 8 picks total. Harper will go #1 and the guy at #2 said he wants to take Michael Pineda #2 overall, so there is a chance that Trout could fall into my lap at #3. I surely hope so!

Offseason schedule:
Trade deadline Jan 22
Keeper deadline Jan 29
Minor league draft Feb 11
Auction in March then a few days later waiver claims come into affect to round out our rosters.

~AJ

ajbraves25 said:

pigskincardboard said:

ajbraves25 said:

pigskincardboard said:

People overrate the value of prospects in keeper leagues.

The best time to get them is after they have a mediocre season. Look at freakin Tommy Hanson and Brett Anderson, you could get them for cheap (comparatively, obviously) and you get the feeling both of them are primed for 3rd in Cy Young Votes.

Click to expand...

So how would you rate the day overall?

Just curious

~AJ

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Oh, I'm a stats goof. I'd say that 75% of keeper leagues don't make it past 2 years, so a lot of the trades that look great on paper eat crap. It's also impossible to tell without league size, and waiver wire replacement players.

With all that jazz said, it looks like you did well. You can almost always find grade b prospects that produce to the level of someone like flores or montero. They may not be sexy but combine those guys with the Carlos Pena and Adrian Gonzalez of the world and your good to go.

Click to expand...

This will be year 7 in 2011. League started in 2005. We expanded to 12 teams last season. $260 cap room at auction. $300 total cap to start the season. 24 active players and 5 bench. The extra $40 is for waiver claims or prospect bring ups. FA/Waiver guys are $10 and prospects are $5. This will be my 3rd season and I love it! I have the #3 overall pick in the upcoming prospect draft and I will have 8 picks total. Harper will go #1 and the guy at #2 said he wants to take Michael Pineda #2 overall, so there is a chance that Trout could fall into my lap at #3. I surely hope so!

~AJ

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Lemme know if you guys ever need an extra team.

pick up brandon belt!

So here is what my roster will look like in 2 days barring a rash of vetos

Carlos Santana C $5
Mark Teixeira 1B $41
Rickie Weeks 2B $5
Casey McGehee 3B $7
Paul Konerko 1B/CI $3
Martin Prado 2B/MI $3
Jay Bruce OF $5
Vernon Wells OF $9
Jon Lester SP $11
CC Sabathia SP $28
$117

That leaves me with $143 to use at auction to buy 14 players. An average of 10.21. I plan on bringing up Bumgarner so that is one spot I dont have to draft so actually that is 13 players to buy with $143 at an average of $11.

I have a standing offer of Franciso Liriano for Martin Prado. I would add $5 in salary and my average would still be $10.61 per player. What do you think about that? I know Prado is good, but Liriano is a 200K pitcher.

~AJ