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(I'll state mine pick or two later)
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Which Current Hall Of Famer Is Most Undeserving?
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Gary Carter, Bruce Sutter, and Bill Mazeroski
jbone17
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Joe Gordon, Jim Rice, and Gary Carter.
Jays_Cards
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Ozzie Smith
George_Calfas
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Jays_Cards said:
Why?
jpruitt2
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Joe Morgan
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George_Calfas said:
Why?[/quote:27jqm4b1]
He was an atrocious offensive player. There is no doubt that he was an exceptional defender, but with his offensive accumen he would not be a ML player today never mind a HOFer.
Jays_Cards said:
Why?[/quote:1i09eq92]
He was an atrocious offensive player. There is no doubt that he was an exceptional defender, but he would not even make a player with his offensive accumen would not be a ML player today never mind a HOFer.[/quote:1i09eq92]
In his time his offense was not as bad as all that.
You can't compare him to these modern SS like Jeter Ripken and Tulo.
Ozzie was an above average hitting SS compared to his peers
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jpruitt2 said:
He's one of the best second baseman of all-time. I understand that a lot of people didn't care for him as announcer, but as a player, he's one of the best ever at his position. He certainly belongs in the Hall of Fame.
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js0000001 said:
He was an atrocious offensive player. There is no doubt that he was an exceptional defender, but he would not even make a player with his offensive accumen would not be a ML player today never mind a HOFer.[/quote:3upwk202]
In his time his offense was not as bad as all that.
You can't compare him to these modern SS like Jeter Ripken and Tulo.
Ozzie was an above average hitting SS compared to his peers[/quote:3upwk202]
Cal Ripken Jr. career average .276, OBP .340
Ozzie Smith career average .262, OBP .337
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Bobby Doerr's career stats and length surely doesn't warrant the HOF.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... bo01.shtml
(An impressive BB/K ratio though)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... bo01.shtml
(An impressive BB/K ratio though)
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George_Calfas said:
He was an atrocious offensive player. There is no doubt that he was an exceptional defender, but he would not even make a player with his offensive accumen would not be a ML player today never mind a HOFer.[/quote:36ni4x3e]
In his time his offense was not as bad as all that.
You can't compare him to these modern SS like Jeter Ripken and Tulo.
Ozzie was an above average hitting SS compared to his peers[/quote:36ni4x3e]
Cal Ripken Jr. career average .276, OBP .340
Ozzie Smith career average .262, OBP .337[/quote:36ni4x3e]
Cal Ripken career SLG .447, OPS .788, OPS+ 112
Ozzie Smith career SLG .328, OPS .666, OPS+ 87
Below league average offensive player...
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Jays_Cards said:
He was an atrocious offensive player. There is no doubt that he was an exceptional defender, but he would not even make a player with his offensive accumen would not be a ML player today never mind a HOFer.[/quote:1c2ii7g1]
In his time his offense was not as bad as all that.
You can't compare him to these modern SS like Jeter Ripken and Tulo.
Ozzie was an above average hitting SS compared to his peers[/quote:1c2ii7g1]
Cal Ripken Jr. career average .276, OBP .340
Ozzie Smith career average .262, OBP .337[/quote:1c2ii7g1]
Cal Ripken career SLG .447, OPS .788, OPS+ 112
Ozzie Smith career SLG .328, OPS .666, OPS+ 87
Below league average offensive player...[/quote:1c2ii7g1]
If you boot Ozzie due to lack of Home Runs you need to get rid of Rabbit Maranville and Joe Tinker
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stu said:
I with you. (Attention Wes Yee). Omar Vizquel deserves a shot then as well.
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Agreed. You have to compare him to his peers, not to players of a different era. For example, Ozzie won the silver slugger in '87 and he didn't even hit one homerun! When you look at the stats however, it was the right choice (and it wasn't even close).js0000001 said:
I was never a big fan of his, but I feel he's a deserving HOF member.
sheetskout said:
Vizquel was NEVER one of the best players in the game. NEVER in his career was he even the best at his position. Not a Hall of Famer and it isn't even close.
js0000001 said:
He was an atrocious offensive player. There is no doubt that he was an exceptional defender, but he would not even make a player with his offensive accumen would not be a ML player today never mind a HOFer.[/quote:3kgjj00g]
In his time his offense was not as bad as all that.
You can't compare him to these modern SS like Jeter Ripken and Tulo.
Ozzie was an above average hitting SS compared to his peers[/quote:3kgjj00g]
His career OPS+ was 87, meaning he was worse than the league average.
