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MLBPA's gotta be happy about that one. Sucks for the Pirates, though.
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Pitchers and catchers report for spring training in Bradenton on Sunday.
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I just peed myself.
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PeteD said:
I was actually at Dunedin and Clearwater's spring training complexes today to pick up sponsorship checks and stuff for our auction from the Jays and Phils. Both teams were out practicing... It's a beautiful time of year.
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Jeff N. said:
He's not a bad pitcher despite being on the Pirates. Had a 106, 100 ERA+ and a 2.6, 2.0 WAR the last two years.
Graduating from Princeton and working for the USDA in the off-season couldn't have hurt either
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Ross! (my HS teammate and friend)
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So a guy that was on the DL twice and had a record of 1-11 in 108 innings can get a raise of 4.6 times what he was making the year before.Wow I wonder what they would have had to pay him if it was 11-1 in 108 innings that could equate to 20,194,000 if they are going on that 1 win alone, then it would be a 46 times instead of 4.6 :benson:
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uniquebaseballcards said:
He's not a bad pitcher despite being on the Pirates. Had a 106, 100 ERA+ and a 2.6, 2.0 WAR the last two years.
Graduating from Princeton and working for the USDA in the off-season couldn't have hurt either
[/quote]Well I've worked for the USDA for 5 years....wish I could get a raise like that. We're under a 3 year pay freeze now though :lol:
Wins are a useless stat for pitchers. The Pirates were offering 1.4 million, so obviously they believed he was worth more than last year's salary.
My understanding is that arbitration is an all-or-nothing game. The result will either be the player's number or the team's number, as opposed to a number that the arbitration panel creates. Just because the arbitrators awarded the player's number doesn't mean that number is their assessment of his market value, it just means they determined that number to be closer to true market value than the team's number.
My understanding is that arbitration is an all-or-nothing game. The result will either be the player's number or the team's number, as opposed to a number that the arbitration panel creates. Just because the arbitrators awarded the player's number doesn't mean that number is their assessment of his market value, it just means they determined that number to be closer to true market value than the team's number.
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a 4.01 ERA isn't completely horrible. At that number he was a more effective pitcher than 3/5 of the yankees rotation last year and they finished 2nd in the MLB, lol.
sigma_chi said:
He's not a bad pitcher despite being on the Pirates. Had a 106, 100 ERA+ and a 2.6, 2.0 WAR the last two years.
Graduating from Princeton and working for the USDA in the off-season couldn't have hurt either
[/quote]Well I've worked for the USDA for 5 years....wish I could get a raise like that. We're under a 3 year pay freeze now though :lol:[/quote:349cyir3]
Hey where do you work? My sister has worked for the USDA for about 15 years and is now in Dallas. She is a soil conservationist.
The Pirates picked the wrong guy to argue against in arbitration.
Ohlendorf majored in Operations Research and Financial Engineering at Princeton, a major that combined mathematics, engineering and economics. His thesis was written on the June amateur draft, which will be held on Tuesday. Ohlendorf examined the top 100 picks from 1989 to 1993, tracked the progress of each player for a 12-year period, starting with the draft, to determine the value of the picks. Ohlendorf studied the investment (signing bonus) and the financial return from signing the player.
"The financial return is not cut and dry like the signing bonus, so I did my best to estimate it for the players in the study,'' he said. "The vast majority of the return was determined by the player's contribution in the major leagues prior to reaching free agency, and his salary over that period.''
What were his findings?
"On average,'' Ohlendorf said, "the player brought twice the return.''
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/s ... id=4230662
Ohlendorf majored in Operations Research and Financial Engineering at Princeton, a major that combined mathematics, engineering and economics. His thesis was written on the June amateur draft, which will be held on Tuesday. Ohlendorf examined the top 100 picks from 1989 to 1993, tracked the progress of each player for a 12-year period, starting with the draft, to determine the value of the picks. Ohlendorf studied the investment (signing bonus) and the financial return from signing the player.
"The financial return is not cut and dry like the signing bonus, so I did my best to estimate it for the players in the study,'' he said. "The vast majority of the return was determined by the player's contribution in the major leagues prior to reaching free agency, and his salary over that period.''
What were his findings?
"On average,'' Ohlendorf said, "the player brought twice the return.''
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/s ... id=4230662
SamHell said:
hmmmmm, I know that people track the average price paid for free agents based on WAR to get an average price per 1 WAR for FA's.
I wonder how you would turn a guys WAR into actual dollar value to the club considering it may vary depending on how well the team is doing overall and market not just based off that players performance.
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morgoth said:sigma_chi said:
He's not a bad pitcher despite being on the Pirates. Had a 106, 100 ERA+ and a 2.6, 2.0 WAR the last two years.
Graduating from Princeton and working for the USDA in the off-season couldn't have hurt either
Well I've worked for the USDA for 5 years....wish I could get a raise like that. We're under a 3 year pay freeze now though :lol:
Hey where do you work? My sister has worked for the USDA for about 15 years and is now in Dallas. She is a soil conservationist.[/quote:2rhqc2ob]
That's cool, I'm guessing she works for NRCS? I work for the FSA side, farm programs here in Arkansas. I'm in charge of compliance in my office. I was offered a job at HQ in Washington DC to help build their GIS program last summer but I turned it down because my wife didn't want to live in DC....sometimes I wonder if that was the right move
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Not a surprise... Everyone beats the Pirates...
sigma_chi said:morgoth said:
He's not a bad pitcher despite being on the Pirates. Had a 106, 100 ERA+ and a 2.6, 2.0 WAR the last two years.
Graduating from Princeton and working for the USDA in the off-season couldn't have hurt either
Well I've worked for the USDA for 5 years....wish I could get a raise like that. We're under a 3 year pay freeze now though :lol:
Hey where do you work? My sister has worked for the USDA for about 15 years and is now in Dallas. She is a soil conservationist.[/quote:1iyyg0ax]
That's cool, I'm guessing she works for NRCS? I work for the FSA side, farm programs here in Arkansas. I'm in charge of compliance in my office. I was offered a job at HQ in Washington DC to help build their GIS program last summer but I turned it down because my wife didn't want to live in DC....sometimes I wonder if that was the right move
[/quote:1iyyg0ax]She actually helps develop the computer modelling programs they use for the irrigation ponds, terracing and other soil conservation methods for farmers. She also trains others on how to use the program.
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And Jared Weaver, who had a 3.01 era and led the AL in strikeouts, just lost his arbitration. :?
sigma_chi
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Austin said:
To be fair, he WAS asking for alot more money than Ross Oldenhorff.
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