I am so sick of "Pitch Counts"!

scotty21690 said:

Oh yeah also...when a pitcher is having a very good start, they finish the 8th inning with :::gasp::: 100+ pitches....of course they can't go out for the 9th because the damned closer has to get the save. ::facepalm::


One more thought, how can a closer still get credited for a save if they give up 2+ runs? :?

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RedsFan2993 said:

Yeah the Brewers do have a bad bullpen.

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RedsFan2993 said:

scotty21690 said:

Oh yeah also...when a pitcher is having a very good start, they finish the 8th inning with :::gasp::: 100+ pitches....of course they can't go out for the 9th because the damned closer has to get the save. ::facepalm::


One more thought, how can a closer still get credited for a save if they give up 2+ runs? :?

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That's why the save is a overrated stat.

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RedsFan2993 said:

scotty21690 said:

Oh yeah also...when a pitcher is having a very good start, they finish the 8th inning with :::gasp::: 100+ pitches....of course they can't go out for the 9th because the damned closer has to get the save. ::facepalm::


One more thought, how can a closer still get credited for a save if they give up 2+ runs? :?

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That's why the save is a overrated stat.

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scotty21690 said:

Oh yeah also...when a pitcher is having a very good start, they finish the 8th inning with :::gasp::: 100+ pitches....of course they can't go out for the 9th because the damned closer has to get the save. ::facepalm::


One more thought, how can a closer still get credited for a save if they give up 2+ runs? :?

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GiantsSuperCollector said:

RedsFan2993 said:

scotty21690 said:

Oh yeah also...when a pitcher is having a very good start, they finish the 8th inning with :::gasp::: 100+ pitches....of course they can't go out for the 9th because the damned closer has to get the save. ::facepalm::


One more thought, how can a closer still get credited for a save if they give up 2+ runs? :?

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That's why the save is a overrated stat.

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How many saves are of that kind if a guy is getting 40+ saves a year, probably not a lot...

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scotty21690 said:

Saves all depend on the offense....a closer on the Yankees is going to get more save opportunities (though I'll admit, Mo is the greatest RP of all time) than one on the Nationals, for example.

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prospectorgems said:

After all these years, I am finding myself starting to agree with my dad. I can't believe how much babying has been going on in the last 10 years with pitchers and their stupid pitch counts.

I know there is always an excuse...oh they need to protect their investment, it affects his conditioning, blah blah blah.

If a pitcher is having an excellent game, let him keep pitching until he starts to get into trouble or the manager can see that his pitcher is starting to wear down. Also, what's the point of middle relief if you can't even go out for ONE inning without giving up a run? I mean heck, your starter did a great job through multiple innings without doing so, why can't relief do it? Did their arms get too tired after throwing to one batter?

I never thought I would admit to it, but Baseball is really becoming a league of overpaid babies.

Signed,

Pissed off Brewers Fan!

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Vagrant said:

Everybody is missing the point. Everybody.

The game isn't the same as it was even in the early 90's when the average velocity on fastballs was likely much lower than it is now. The finesse pitcher that does not tax his arm has become a thing of the past. Pitching now is 100% effort and more about throwing through bats than around them. What really made this evident was all the young pitchers shredding ligaments in their arms due to the taxing amount of pitches they would throw during games. Even guys like Nolan Ryan used to pull back until the third strike and dial it up a few notches when a K was on the line.

It used to be that if you could throw the ball 95 MPH, you didn't need to rip your arm to pieces by slicing sliders across the zone. You could sit comfortably at 90-92 MPH and then dial it up if needed to hit 95 for the 3rd strike. Not anymore. Batters have improved at pitch recognition and everybody has gotten more athletic. Now all pitches are 100% effort and there are no counts when you can grove a ball into the zone and not expect it to get hit. If a pitcher throws 100 pitches in a game, then he threw them all at max effort. Back in the day, if a pitcher threw 100 pitches he probably was able to throw 40 of them at half speed. The game has changed.

Same thing with professional football and hockey. The speed of the game has increased SO MUCH with the speed of the players and the equipment improvements that it's ten times as dangerous as when we were kids. The bodies are getting faster and stronger than they should be and the brains are not evolving in terms of the ability to take all this damage and still function. Changes have to be made from era to era or else people start getting killed. Should we go back to leather football helmets because the players back then were so much tougher?

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Vagrant said:

Everybody is missing the point. Everybody.

The game isn't the same as it was even in the early 90's when the average velocity on fastballs was likely much lower than it is now. The finesse pitcher that does not tax his arm has become a thing of the past. Pitching now is 100% effort and more about throwing through bats than around them. What really made this evident was all the young pitchers shredding ligaments in their arms due to the taxing amount of pitches they would throw during games. Even guys like Nolan Ryan used to pull back until the third strike and dial it up a few notches when a K was on the line.

It used to be that if you could throw the ball 95 MPH, you didn't need to rip your arm to pieces by slicing sliders across the zone. You could sit comfortably at 90-92 MPH and then dial it up if needed to hit 95 for the 3rd strike. Not anymore. Batters have improved at pitch recognition and everybody has gotten more athletic. Now all pitches are 100% effort and there are no counts when you can grove a ball into the zone and not expect it to get hit. If a pitcher throws 100 pitches in a game, then he threw them all at max effort. Back in the day, if a pitcher threw 100 pitches he probably was able to throw 40 of them at half speed. The game has changed.

Same thing with professional football and hockey. The speed of the game has increased SO MUCH with the speed of the players and the equipment improvements that it's ten times as dangerous as when we were kids. The bodies are getting faster and stronger than they should be and the brains are not evolving in terms of the ability to take all this damage and still function. Changes have to be made from era to era or else people start getting killed. Should we go back to leather football helmets because the players back then were so much tougher?

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