Is Josh Johnson the BEST Pitcher in Baseball?

ballerskrip · May 1, 2011

I personally think Johnson would have been mentioned in the top 5 for this "trophy" the last few years if he could have made it through the entire year. He has been absolutely incredible this year. His numbers as as dominating as anyone I can remember in years. So, is he currently the best pitcher in baseball?

***If you vote no, who is and why? Do the stats back it up?

2011 Stats

Starts - 6
IP - 41
Hits given up - 18
ER - 4
Hr Allowed - 1
k/bb - 39/11
Whip - .71
Batting average against - .128
ERA - .88

Bruin7 · May 1, 2011

I think he's almost there. Currently Weaver is tops this season. JJ is definitely a top 5 starter in the league though.

Allen

XdanX · May 1, 2011

He is tops 5. Just because jered weaver (who i really like) is off to a historical start does not mean he is better then JJ. I think you can argue Lincy, JJ, Halladay and Lee are top 3 with a slew of guys going into those 4 and 5 slots like Felix, CC, Johan (if he can regain his form when he comes back) as well as JJ.

Edit- If he was a yankee more people would think hes the best because he wears pinstripes. Imagine his prices too

MOFNY · May 1, 2011

I think he is terrific, but Halladay is still the best, and is once again proving it this year. Weaver and Haren have been very impressive in the AL, and they are currently leading in WHIP and ERA.

From a card standpoint, I think Johnson has more room to move up. 27-years-old with the extremely limited, and I can only imagine dried up, 2002 BCD. A raw gold sold for $300 recently. Am I crazy, or could that easily be double? Again, possibly crazy man, but I would pay $300 for that card.

chompsmcgee · May 1, 2011

If the question was "is JJ the best pitcher in the NL in April 2011?" then the answer is yes. The only knock would be that he hasn't pitched more than 7 1/3 in any game this year, although he consistently puts up quality starts.

But one month doesn't make anyone the best pitcher in the league.

SeattleSports · May 1, 2011

chompsmcgee said:
If the question was "is JJ the best pitcher in the NL in April 2011?" then the answer is yes. The only knock would be that he hasn't pitched more than 7 1/3 in any game this year, although he consistently puts up quality starts.

But one month doesn't make anyone the best pitcher in the league.

+1,

Ask me again in a few months.

jcmint · May 1, 2011

Skrip JJ is right there but something should be said for consistency and that begins and ends with Doc

bradical · May 1, 2011

2 of the top 5 pitchers in baseball wear the nautical star on their hat.

Phishmon23 · May 1, 2011

I voted no, only because I'd take Hallady, CC, Felix and Lincy before JJ, but JJ probably takes that #5 spot.

-J

GiantsSuperCollector · May 1, 2011

I would take Halladay, Lincy and Felix ahead of him. I would say he is in that 4th spot.

My top 15:
Halladay
Lincecum
Hernandez
Johnson
Sabathia
Wainwright
Kershaw
Weaver
Gallardo
Lester
Jimenez
Cain
Hanson
Lee
Cahill

AmishDave · May 3, 2011

Possibly, by I may show "slight" bias ...

All The Hype · May 3, 2011

GiantsSuperCollector said:
I would take Halladay, Lincy and Felix ahead of him. I would say he is in that 4th spot.

My top 15:
Halladay
Lincecum
Hernandez
Johnson
Sabathia
Wainwright
Kershaw
Weaver
Gallardo
Lester
Jimenez
Cain
Hanson
Lee
Cahill

No Verlander in your top 15?

Currently, I say absolutely yes. JJ is the best in baseball. He doesn't get much respect but he's flat out nasty.

elmalo · May 3, 2011

I'd take Halladay and Sabathia and Hernandez and a few others over him.

GiantsSuperCollector · May 3, 2011

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
GiantsSuperCollector said:

I would take Halladay, Lincy and Felix ahead of him. I would say he is in that 4th spot.

My top 15:
Halladay
Lincecum
Hernandez
Johnson
Sabathia
Wainwright
Kershaw
Weaver
Gallardo
Lester
Jimenez
Cain
Hanson
Lee
Cahill

Click to expand...

No Verlander in your top 15?

Currently, I say absolutely yes. JJ is the best in baseball. He doesn't get much respect but he's flat out nasty.

Somehow passed over him... :shock:

RL24 · May 3, 2011

:lol:

I voted no because he pitches in the NL.

If he was a yankee more people would think hes the best because he wears pinstripes. Imagine his prices too

If he performed the way he does while facing 9 hitters instead of 8 hitters and a freebie, people probably would think that. I don't think the pinstripes would have much to do with it though.

GiantsSuperCollector · May 3, 2011

RL24 said:
:lol:

I voted no because he pitches in the NL.

If he was a yankee more people would think hes the best because he wears pinstripes. Imagine his prices too

Click to expand...

If he performed the way he does while facing 9 hitters instead of 8 hitters and a freebie, people probably would think that. I don't think the pinstripes would have much to do with it though.

:lol: So pitchers that are hitters are freebies? What about CC, Zambrano, Cain, Bumgarner? Those guys can hit and aren't freebies.

All The Hype · May 3, 2011

GiantsSuperCollector said:
ALL_THE_HYPE said:

GiantsSuperCollector said:

I would take Halladay, Lincy and Felix ahead of him. I would say he is in that 4th spot.

My top 15:
Halladay
Lincecum
Hernandez
Johnson
Sabathia
Wainwright
Kershaw
Weaver
Gallardo
Lester
Jimenez
Cain
Hanson
Lee
Cahill

Click to expand...

No Verlander in your top 15?

Currently, I say absolutely yes. JJ is the best in baseball. He doesn't get much respect but he's flat out nasty.

Click to expand...

Somehow passed over him... :shock:

Just thought I'd ask. I'm probably a little biased although that may just be because I've watched him pitch a number of times..but I'm pretty sure I'd have him in my top 10. I may not have him quite as high as you do, but I like your inclusion of Kershaw on the list too although I don't think we've even seen him at his true best yet.

GiantsSuperCollector · May 3, 2011

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
GiantsSuperCollector said:

[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":hkxt5cmj]

GiantsSuperCollector said:

I would take Halladay, Lincy and Felix ahead of him. I would say he is in that 4th spot.

My top 15:
Halladay
Lincecum
Hernandez
Johnson
Sabathia
Wainwright
Kershaw
Weaver
Gallardo
Lester
Jimenez
Cain
Hanson
Lee
Cahill

Click to expand...

No Verlander in your top 15?

Currently, I say absolutely yes. JJ is the best in baseball. He doesn't get much respect but he's flat out nasty.

Click to expand...

Somehow passed over him... :shock:

Just thought I'd ask. I'm probably a little biased although that may just be because I've watched him pitch a number of times..but I'm pretty sure I'd have him in my top 10. I may not have him quite as high as you do, but I like your inclusion of Kershaw on the list too although I don't think we've even seen him at his true best yet.[/quote:hkxt5cmj]
Kershaw annoys the **** out of me, he goes complete beast mode against the Giants. But he will only get better, hopefully the Doggies won't be able to afford him

Would put Verlander after either Gallardo or Weaver.

RL24 · May 3, 2011

GiantsSuperCollector said:
RL24 said:

:lol:

I voted no because he pitches in the NL.

If he was a yankee more people would think hes the best because he wears pinstripes. Imagine his prices too

Click to expand...

If he performed the way he does while facing 9 hitters instead of 8 hitters and a freebie, people probably would think that. I don't think the pinstripes would have much to do with it though.

Click to expand...

:lol: So pitchers that are hitters are freebies? What about CC, Zambrano, Cain, Bumgarner? Those guys can hit and aren't freebies.

Bumgarner is a career .173 hitter. Matt Cain? .109! (He was a bad example). The way you think of these guys as good hitters just proves my point. They aren't too bad... for pitchers.

Zambrano isn't too bad @ .236. Micah Owings can really rake, he's almost a .300 hitter. But these guys are the exceptions that prove the rule. They only pitch every 5 games or so, and only represent 2 teams in the NL. 98% of the time when a pitcher heads to the plate, it's an easy out.

CC doesn't count because he's sort of like the second coming of Babe Ruth, only an improved version that was so good at pitching they didn't move him to the OF.

:lol:

GiantsSuperCollector · May 3, 2011

RL24 said:
GiantsSuperCollector said:

RL24 said:

:lol:

I voted no because he pitches in the NL.

If he was a yankee more people would think hes the best because he wears pinstripes. Imagine his prices too

Click to expand...

If he performed the way he does while facing 9 hitters instead of 8 hitters and a freebie, people probably would think that. I don't think the pinstripes would have much to do with it though.

Click to expand...

:lol: So pitchers that are hitters are freebies? What about CC, Zambrano, Cain, Bumgarner? Those guys can hit and aren't freebies.

Click to expand...

Bumgarner is a career .173 hitter. Matt Cain? .109! (He was a bad example). The way you think of these guys as good hitters just proves my point. They aren't too bad... for pitchers.

Zambrano isn't too bad @ .236. Micah Owings can really rake, he's almost a .300 hitter. But these guys are the exceptions that prove the rule. They only pitch every 5 games or so, and only represent 2 teams in the NL. 98% of the time when a pitcher heads to the plate, it's an easy out.

CC doesn't count because he's sort of like the second coming of Babe Ruth, only an improved version that was so good at pitching they didn't move him to the OF. :lol:

Cain was a bad example, but a lot of these guys can put the ball in play and hard...it isn't just an easy out most of the times.

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