fake patch???

do these two cards have fake patches???????? help! they look to good! these 2 cards have not been seen before

2005 Absolute Memorabilia Tools of the Trade Swatch Single Jumbo Prime Red J.Gonz Indians Jsy

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-ABSOLUTE-JUAN-GO ... 3a668b055e

2005 Absolute Memorabilia Tools of the Trade Swatch Single Jumbo Prime Red Rgr Jsy

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-ABSOLUTE-TOTT-JU ... 3a668af462

Maybe legit but I wouldn't touch them....way to many questionable cards being sold by the seller.

Look at the rest of the stuff he's selling off. Either this guy has the most amazing collection in the world or he hit up the $.25 gumball machine to bring you the most amazing fake patches ever.

thanks. the reason i ask is why in the hell would anyone f--- up a serial numberd to 5 card. much less 2 of them. i just don't know. without seeing another.

One look at this and I cracked up laughing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-ABSOLUTE-BRAD-PE ... 3a668b1054

Maybe this was his practice one.

i just looked. HOLY SHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have never seen that many logo patches in on spot!

You never know these days. Could be real, could be fake. I'd hold off, look for a nice patch but something you're sure is real.

Its really to tough to tell with this set anymore. On one hand absolute put out some insane patches and you would think that that some of the ones he has listed are real (which very well may be the case). On the other hand the set had been so saturated with fakes that you cannot even tell a real logo patch with fake one. Obviously most of the fakes are easier to spot than others and when the fakes were first hitting ebay they were faking the jumbo jersey pieces and not the prime pieces. As time past the people who were altering and faking these jumbo jerseys with nice patches patches figured out that people were catching on to those fakes they decided to start faking the less attractive Prime patches jumbo cards. The tags he has are legit and some of the other jumbos he has are legit but the Jumbo Logo patches are just to iffy now. The crazy thing about it is some or most of them could be 100% legit. To be on the safe side I would just pass on the logo patches and go after any that had part of a letterman or number as those have a much better chance to being legit than the logo ones. Also it doesnt help that the logo patches take up the whole window without even a little jersey showing. Atleast then you could tell if the logo patch was sewn on to the jersey as I think most patch fakers buy just the sleeve or logo patch and somehow slide it in without damaging the window. They are less incline to buy a who gamer even if its cheap as its to time consuming and can get costly even at $50 buck a jersey. Being a Juan Gone collector it might be worth buying them and then checking them out yourself and getting your own evaluation on them. You can check to see if the patch slides around or if the card was split in two. There are things you can check for on a card that do not show up on a scan. Also I think some of these were previously sold by an account that was know to sell fakes so that also does not help. Good luck on what ever you do.

Nick1190 said:

You never know these days. Could be real, could be fake. I'd hold off, look for a nice patch but something you're sure is real.

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Agreed, even if real the doubt kills the value.

nosterbor said:

the reason i ask is why in the hell would anyone f--- up a serial numberd to 5 card.

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G $MONEY$ said:

nosterbor said:

the reason i ask is why in the hell would anyone f--- up a serial numberd to 5 card.

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With Gonzalez, it shouldn't matter!

BTW, why is the "laundry tag" one laughable? I just don't understand I guess.

Good luck on your decision.. The laundy tags are legit and the patches could be legit..

Very hard to tell unless you have it in hand..

Oh man I really wish this was real but I just don't think so....

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-ABSOLUTE-TOT...0571360025?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item43a7671719

He also has 2 Mark Prior, two things of beauty... The "Cubs" one looks very real and very attractive :mrgreen: but then again...

Derriz said:

One look at this and I cracked up laughing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-ABSOLUTE-BRAD-PE ... 3a668b1054

Maybe this was his practice one.

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Please enlighten me to the issues with this one? Considering it is listed as a "Laundry Tag" and a 1/1...not really sure what would constitute this one laughable or "practice."

Derriz said:

One look at this and I cracked up laughing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/05-ABSOLUTE-BRAD-PE ... 3a668b1054

Maybe this was his practice one.

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Not sure why you're laughing, that card is authentic.

Imo, you'd get a lot more educated opinions if you put "absolute" or "tools of the trade" in the title. Fyi, most of the jumbos were being sold by this guy:

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/clem2327 ... 283&_rdc=1

and it created a lot of drama. Basically, the guy's as big of a jerk as anyone, told a bunch of lies and denied that his patches are fake. While the tags do appear to be legit, one of the Manny collectors provided solid evidence that one patch was fake. What's sad is that the Juan Gonzalez patches would probably go for more if they weren't altered.