2011 Topps Pro Debut - ouch!

SeattleSports · May 30, 2011

The two cards I wanted in Topps Pro Debut were Michael Pineda auto and the Ackley/Machado dual auto. Both are not in the live checklist, ouch. The two best hits in the auto set are not included after being listed in the preliminary checklist.

Original Checklist

Actual Checklist

Glad I decided to buy singles instead of boxes.

schmidtfan20 · May 30, 2011

what a load of garbage. I wonder how many cases B&B bought?

Kevin

ThoseBackPages · May 30, 2011

dont those three guys already have autos from past releases?

SeattleSports · May 30, 2011

ThoseBackPages said:
dont those three guys already have autos from past releases?

Pineda has a retail exclusive auto from 2011 Bowman and no other auto out there. This was going to be his first 'hobby auto'.

And the Machado/Ackley dual would have been a dual auto of two of the top infield prospects in baseball. It would have been an expensive card to say the least.

ThoseBackPages · May 30, 2011

frzg said:
ThoseBackPages said:

dont those three guys already have autos from past releases?

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Pineda has a retail exclusive auto from 2011 Bowman and no other auto out there. This was going to be his first 'hobby auto'.

And the Machado/Ackley dual would have been a dual auto of two of the top infield prospects in baseball. It would have been an expensive card to say the least.

ahh ok. Bummer indeed then.

sdsportsfan1214 · May 30, 2011

Id be so pissed if I had a case pre ordered and found this out. Another Topps fail

jlecates · May 30, 2011

Forgive me if I'm looking right at it in the original post, but is there an actual live checklist of the dual autographs that are included?

SeattleSports · May 30, 2011

jlecates said:
Forgive me if I'm looking right at it in the original post, but is there an actual live checklist of the dual autographs that are included?

Whoops, updated

jlecates · May 30, 2011

frzg said:
jlecates said:

Forgive me if I'm looking right at it in the original post, but is there an actual live checklist of the dual autographs that are included?

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Whoops, updated

Cool. Thanks for posting these up!

19braves77 · May 30, 2011

You have an updated checklistc with the TBD's named

crowTrobot · May 30, 2011

topps is going to catch a TON of flack for this. good one to save your wrappers on : )

tommyfro21 · May 30, 2011

schmidtfan20 said:
what a load of garbage. I wonder how many cases B&B bought?

Kevin

I think he said 4 cases if I remember correctly. He is buying 32 cases of Topps Series 2 though!

SportsCardMojo · May 30, 2011

Honestly, this affects me very little. I'm not happy about it, but oh well. From what I've read about 2010, the autos are not the strong part of this product anyway.

And you can't really get mad at Topps. In the fine print, they say they may have to substitute. It's all part of the risk of pre-ordering. This could have easily gone the other way with Topps beefing up the checklist and the price jumping. Win some, lose some.

I'll still have fun opening this product as I do with everything else I've opened. As long as I get my junkie fix, I'm cool.

mjbuchanan80 · May 30, 2011

Moustakas a Cub?...

chompsmcgee · May 30, 2011

Maybe they ran out of stickers for the players to sign

vwnut13 · May 30, 2011

Ouch, the fact that the GU cards are regular sized kind of makes the product lose its appeal.

The Jumbo Swatches/Patches/Logos/Tags were AWESOME last year!

Hopefully series two will have Jumbos again as they will be Futures Game swatches, but I doubt it.

pigskincardboard · May 30, 2011

sportscardfanatic said:
Honestly, this affects me very little. I'm not happy about it, but oh well. From what I've read about 2010, the autos are not the strong part of this product anyway.

And you can't really get mad at Topps. In the fine print, they say they may have to substitute. It's all part of the risk of pre-ordering. This could have easily gone the other way with Topps beefing up the checklist and the price jumping. Win some, lose some.

I'll still have fun opening this product as I do with everything else I've opened. As long as I get my junkie fix, I'm cool.

I don't understand this mentality. Maybe you preordered on the first day and if that's the case, so it goes. But what about the guy that ordered a case last week or two weeks ago, where at this point Topps was clearly well aware that two huge hits wouldn't be in the product. Instead of informing the distributors, they just sit on it and let the preorders come rolling in.

Everyone understand that checklists are subject to change, but here's the thing: When the manufacturer sends the BOX CHECKLIST out to the printer, they should take that box checklist and put it online and give it to the retailers and distributors. It takes like 20 seconds in the digital world and by not doing it, they come off as ********* that are misleading their consumers on purpose.

So yah, when they know they're not going to get autographs and send the ******* checklist out, how about they take that pdf file and fire it out to the consumer.

crowTrobot · May 31, 2011

vwnut13 said:
Ouch, the fact that the GU cards are regular sized kind of makes the product lose its appeal.

The Jumbo Swatches/Patches/Logos/Tags were AWESOME last year!

Hopefully series two will have Jumbos again as they will be Futures Game swatches, but I doubt it.

one series. unless topps lied about that, too.

SportsCardMojo · May 31, 2011

pigskincardboard said:
sportscardfanatic said:

Honestly, this affects me very little. I'm not happy about it, but oh well. From what I've read about 2010, the autos are not the strong part of this product anyway.

And you can't really get mad at Topps. In the fine print, they say they may have to substitute. It's all part of the risk of pre-ordering. This could have easily gone the other way with Topps beefing up the checklist and the price jumping. Win some, lose some.

I'll still have fun opening this product as I do with everything else I've opened. As long as I get my junkie fix, I'm cool.

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I don't understand this mentality. Maybe you preordered on the first day and if that's the case, so it goes. But what about the guy that ordered a case last week or two weeks ago, where at this point Topps was clearly well aware that two huge hits wouldn't be in the product. Instead of informing the distributors, they just sit on it and let the preorders come rolling in.

Everyone understand that checklists are subject to change, but here's the thing: When the manufacturer sends the BOX CHECKLIST out to the printer, they should take that box checklist and put it online and give it to the retailers and distributors. It takes like 20 seconds in the digital world and by not doing it, they come off as ********* that are misleading their consumers on purpose.

So yah, when they know they're not going to get autographs and send the fracking checklist out, how about they take that pdf file and fire it out to the consumer.

I totally understand your frustration, but there's no argument that can be made. The fine print says it's subject to change and they will substitute if necessary. It's no surprise that Topps would do something like this, as this is not the first time. I'm not saying what they did is right. I'm just saying, there's not much of an argument that can be made with regards to this. It sucks. Plain and simple. Topps should have thought about the collectors, yes. But they didn't, and it's a mark on them.

I ordered a case a while back and then ordered another case on Friday. So yeah...I'm pretty heavily invested in this. But there's nothing I can do about it now. It was a pre-order and I took the risk and will probably lose heavily. If I'm going to lose money on this, I might as well make the most of it and have fun ripping. Hold on to those wrappers...hopefully Topps makes this right and adds value to this product.

vwnut13 · May 31, 2011

crowTrobot said:
vwnut13 said:

Ouch, the fact that the GU cards are regular sized kind of makes the product lose its appeal.

The Jumbo Swatches/Patches/Logos/Tags were AWESOME last year!

Hopefully series two will have Jumbos again as they will be Futures Game swatches, but I doubt it.

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one series. unless topps lied about that, too.

Well that is dumb if true.

The Futures Game Relics were the only thing worthwhile in the product.

Topps screwed up yet another product.

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