Bowman Wieters?

jrtowles46 · Jan 31, 2009

I am sure this has been answered before, but why did matt wieters never have an autograph, let alone a base card, in any bowman products. I know he is now under the Razor deal so it is too late, but why did Topps never make his card? I am curious, please let me know!
thanks,
ROB

cgilmo · Jan 31, 2009

jrtowles46 said:
I am sure this has been answered before, but why did matt wieters never have an autograph, let alone a base card, in any bowman products. I know he is now under the Razor deal so it is too late, but why did Topps never make his card? I am curious, please let me know!
thanks,
ROB

he wasn't always a top tier prospect

ThoseBackPages · Jan 31, 2009

his agent blew it.

jrtowles46 · Jan 31, 2009

but he had a good amount of hype coming out of the draft.

i had a feeling it had to do with his agent or something along those lines. what happened? did his agent ask for too much

ThoseBackPages · Jan 31, 2009

jrtowles46 said:
but he had a good amount of hype coming out of the draft.

i had a feeling it had to do with his agent or something along those lines. what happened? did his agent ask for too much

Yes, too much.

Expect his MLB Rookie Card in 2010

beefycheddar · Jan 31, 2009

ThoseBackPages said:
jrtowles46 said:

but he had a good amount of hype coming out of the draft.

i had a feeling it had to do with his agent or something along those lines. what happened? did his agent ask for too much

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Yes, too much.

Expect his MLB Rookie Card in 2010

Unsigned and in Upper Deck too....

carlitoson · Jan 31, 2009

beefycheddar said:
Unsigned and in Upper Deck too....

But licensed.

Jaypers · Jan 31, 2009

He signed a 3-year deal with Razor last year, so it'll be 2011 at the earliest before Topps and UD can make a card of him, unsigned or otherewise.

beefycheddar · Jan 31, 2009

carlitoson said:
beefycheddar said:

Unsigned and in Upper Deck too....

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But licensed.

That part just isn't as important to me as some others, and should be interesting to see how big it is down the road. We now live in a world where Topps and Upper Deck have no license in one of the biggest sports in the world, should be interesting to watch this develop.

I personally just wish Donruss had done an unautographed version of Wieters RC in mirror foil, but they didn't, and it has that sticker!

beefycheddar · Jan 31, 2009

Jaypers said:
He signed a 3-year deal with Razor last year, so it'll be 2011 at the earliest before Topps and UD can make a card of him, unsigned or otherewise.

He has a 3 year deal for autographs and memorabilia I believe, but I think Razor owns his image rights per the contract for one year after he makes his MLB 25 Man Roster Debut. Remember he was different than everyone else that they had a contract with. Anyone else for Razor if they make the 25 man can have a base Upper Deck card per their agreement with MLBPA, unless those players do not join the union. I don't see anyone bucking the union for Razor.

carlitoson · Jan 31, 2009

beefycheddar said:
That part just isn't as important to me as some others, and should be interesting to see how big it is down the road. We now live in a world where Topps and Upper Deck have no license in one of the biggest sports in the world, should be interesting to watch this develop.

I personally just wish Donruss had done an unautographed version of Wieters RC in mirror foil, but they didn't, and it has that sticker!

I agree that every collector must "collect what they like". For me, I drew the line at the licensing aspect. As it is nowadays, everybody and their brother seems to be making unlicensed baseball cards and blurring the lines with what a "first-year" card is. To cut through the clutter, I'm sticking to the major-league license. That's my decision (and yes, I gave it much thought) and I'm quite content with it. I don't care if that means a 2011 or 2012 Weiters FY card. That'll be the one I want (assuming he makes the bigs).

I certainly don't blame the companies for producing all of the unlicensed stuff either...people are buying it.

Mudcatsfan · Jan 31, 2009

One of the arguments to not like USA auto cards was that they would soon be surpassed by chrome autos of the same player in their MLB uniform. Considering guys like Wieters and Alvarez won't have any chrome any time soon, you have to wonder if perhaps their FIRST autos from Upper Deck might finally get some well deserved respect.

ThoseBackPages · Jan 31, 2009

Mudcatsfan said:
One of the arguments to not like USA auto cards was that they would soon be surpassed by chrome autos of the same player in their MLB uniform. Considering guys like Wieters and Alvarez won't have any chrome any time soon, you have to wonder if perhaps their FIRST autos from Upper Deck might finally get some well deserved respect.

I agree with you John, especially with the oncard USA stuff

rico08 · Jan 31, 2009

carlitoson said:
I certainly don't blame the companies for producing all of the unlicensed stuff either...people are buying it.

You blame the MLB and the fact that they wanted only two companies producing licensed baseball cards. What little good that did..

Russ S. · Jan 31, 2009

Mudcatsfan said:
One of the arguments to not like USA auto cards was that they would soon be surpassed by chrome autos of the same player in their MLB uniform. Considering guys like Wieters and Alvarez won't have any chrome any time soon, you have to wonder if perhaps their FIRST autos from Upper Deck might finally get some well deserved respect.

Oh so sexy mudcats....

I like your style!!

I've been noticing the resurgence of Pedro's USA prices. I like it!

leatherman · Jan 31, 2009

My distributor, who is "in the know" on many things, told me that Topps and Wieters had been in negotiations, but Topps ultimately pissed Wieters and his agent off so much that they ended up signing for LESS money with Razor. From what I was told, Wieters was so pissed that he might not EVER sign for Topps.

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ThoseBackPages · Jan 31, 2009

leatherman said:
My distributor, who is "in the know" on many things, told me that Topps and Wieters had been in negotiations, but Topps ultimately pissed Wieters and his agent off so much that they ended up signing for LESS money with Razor. From what I was told, Wieters was so pissed that he might not EVER sign for Topps.

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Sounds like Alex Rodriguez back in the day

leatherman · Jan 31, 2009

ThoseBackPages said:
Sounds like Alex Rodriguez back in the day

Hey, you're my new FB friend! Now I can look at pictures of your women.

ThoseBackPages · Jan 31, 2009

leatherman said:
ThoseBackPages said:

Sounds like Alex Rodriguez back in the day

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Hey, you're my new FB friend! Now I can look at pictures of your women.

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