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We did not initiate this from what I tried looking for. The phillies are an elite team and have a massive offense. Giants beat them in the NLCS, we beat them at home last series. We beat their second best pitcher (who is very dominant). But I believe there was no reason for Manuel to say this. Instead of words, just leave it to the game to decide. And how is Lincecum not great. 2 cy youngs, lead the NL in strikeouts last 4 years, all-star 4 years straight. Beat cliff lee twice in the WS who is NOW on the phillies. I;m not hating on the phillies, or the fans but honestly uncalled for.Also i love the last part of the article. Manuel you are dumb. And lincecum and cain pitched a total of 13 innings of 0ER ball/end rant.
CINCINNATI -- One day after throwing 101 pitches at Philadelphia, Tim Lincecum had some stuff left as he fired a few well-placed verbal fastballs in reacting to comments made by Phillies manager Charlie Manuel.
Though Lincecum earned the decision in the Giants' 4-1 victory Thursday by allowing three hits and striking out six in six shutout innings, Manuel described the right-hander's performance with remarks that some considered at least mildly disparaging: "Tonight I saw 90 [mph] fastball, 92 at the best. I saw a good changeup. I saw a breaking ball. I saw a cutter. Good pitching, but at the same time we can beat that. I've seen us do that."
Told on Friday what Manuel said, Lincecum had a ready response.
Manuel on facing Lincecum
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7/28/11: Phillies manager Charlie Manuel talks about how Giants starter Tim Lincecum handled Philadelphia's lineup following the 4-1 loss
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"You can be dominant and throw 85. Regardless, a guy's going to say he can hit that," Lincecum said. "Or you can throw 97 and he'll say he can hit that, too. When it comes down to it, it's all about execution."
The Giants, who defeated Philadelphia in last year's National League Championship Series, handed the Phillies their first consecutive home defeats since April 18-19 and their first back-to-back losses anywhere since June 3-4 while ending their streak of nine series victories in a row. Referring to all that, Lincecum added, "I'm sure he was just speaking out of frustration and dealing with their first home series loss. It's something they're not used to. Maybe it has something to do with how things went last year in the LCS. I have no idea. You'll have to ask him."
In response to a question, Manuel also refrained from lavishing excessive praise upon Lincecum and Matt Cain, who combined to allow Philadelphia zero earned runs and seven hits in 13 innings.
"They're good pitchers. You say they're great pitchers," Manuel said. "To me, I don't know how great they are. I think as they move on into their careers, there's the longevity part and things like that. I think that's when the greatness might come by."
Lincecum didn't dispute the good-versus-great issue. He did imply that there's no substitute for effectiveness, regardless of how it's achieved.
"Cainer was probably throwing the same kind of [velocity] that I was throwing up there," Lincecum said. "He doesn't try to hump up unless he necessarily has to. He still dominates teams. So I don't know what miles per hour has to do with dominance."
Then came Lincecum's coup de grace. "They had a guy [named] Moyer, right?" That would be Jamie Moyer, the soft-tossing left-hander who compiled a 267-204 record in 24 seasons, including 56-40 with Philadelphia from 2006-10.
CINCINNATI -- One day after throwing 101 pitches at Philadelphia, Tim Lincecum had some stuff left as he fired a few well-placed verbal fastballs in reacting to comments made by Phillies manager Charlie Manuel.
Though Lincecum earned the decision in the Giants' 4-1 victory Thursday by allowing three hits and striking out six in six shutout innings, Manuel described the right-hander's performance with remarks that some considered at least mildly disparaging: "Tonight I saw 90 [mph] fastball, 92 at the best. I saw a good changeup. I saw a breaking ball. I saw a cutter. Good pitching, but at the same time we can beat that. I've seen us do that."
Told on Friday what Manuel said, Lincecum had a ready response.
Manuel on facing Lincecum
00:04:36
7/28/11: Phillies manager Charlie Manuel talks about how Giants starter Tim Lincecum handled Philadelphia's lineup following the 4-1 loss
Tags: More From This Game, Charlie Manuel, press conference, Philadelphia PhilliesShare:
Related Video
Lincecum's scoreless start
Zito picks off Mayberry
Zito's stellar start
"You can be dominant and throw 85. Regardless, a guy's going to say he can hit that," Lincecum said. "Or you can throw 97 and he'll say he can hit that, too. When it comes down to it, it's all about execution."
The Giants, who defeated Philadelphia in last year's National League Championship Series, handed the Phillies their first consecutive home defeats since April 18-19 and their first back-to-back losses anywhere since June 3-4 while ending their streak of nine series victories in a row. Referring to all that, Lincecum added, "I'm sure he was just speaking out of frustration and dealing with their first home series loss. It's something they're not used to. Maybe it has something to do with how things went last year in the LCS. I have no idea. You'll have to ask him."
In response to a question, Manuel also refrained from lavishing excessive praise upon Lincecum and Matt Cain, who combined to allow Philadelphia zero earned runs and seven hits in 13 innings.
"They're good pitchers. You say they're great pitchers," Manuel said. "To me, I don't know how great they are. I think as they move on into their careers, there's the longevity part and things like that. I think that's when the greatness might come by."
Lincecum didn't dispute the good-versus-great issue. He did imply that there's no substitute for effectiveness, regardless of how it's achieved.
"Cainer was probably throwing the same kind of [velocity] that I was throwing up there," Lincecum said. "He doesn't try to hump up unless he necessarily has to. He still dominates teams. So I don't know what miles per hour has to do with dominance."
Then came Lincecum's coup de grace. "They had a guy [named] Moyer, right?" That would be Jamie Moyer, the soft-tossing left-hander who compiled a 267-204 record in 24 seasons, including 56-40 with Philadelphia from 2006-10.
