Anyone think this guy is a Future HOF??

crosby87 · Jul 29, 2011

Adrian Beltre?

He is 32 and he has 2000 hits, 300 homeruns, and 1100 rbis.

I never really thought of Beltre as this kind of elite player, but I guess he has the stats that show he might be hof worthy.
He also has another 5 years playing in the offensive ballpark in Texas.

tm decomposer · Jul 29, 2011

I had a debate with my friend about the terms of elite and iconic. I believe those two terms only fit people in the national spotlight, faces of their teams. But I agree with you, Beltre gets my vote. Hopefully I'll have a HOF vote in 10 years

Nick1190 · Jul 29, 2011

tm decomposer said:
I had a debate with my friend about the terms of elite and iconic. I believe those two terms only fit people in the national spotlight, faces of their teams. But I agree with you, Beltre gets my vote. Hopefully I'll have a HOF vote in 10 years

Na, he's had a good career but thats not good enough for the hall.

SamHell · Jul 29, 2011

I was thinking the same thing the other day. Counting stats should be there. AVG and OBP won't. Multiple gold glove winner. Doesn't have any rings(hoping that changes). Has the rep of being a contract year player(fair or not). My guess is he falls short.

JoshHamilton · Jul 29, 2011

I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy ****, you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

tm decomposer · Jul 29, 2011

Nick1190 said:
tm decomposer said:

I had a debate with my friend about the terms of elite and iconic. I believe those two terms only fit people in the national spotlight, faces of their teams. But I agree with you, Beltre gets my vote. Hopefully I'll have a HOF vote in 10 years

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Na, he's had a good career but thats not good enough for the hall.

What do you think about Paul Konerko?

uniquebaseballcards · Jul 29, 2011

tm decomposer said:
What do you think about Paul Konerko?

Its interesting Konerko has a career WAR of only 25 and never led the league in a stat, except GIDP.

sportscardtheory · Jul 29, 2011

JoshHamilton said:
I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy ****, you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

You really think Palmeiro not getting in has ANYTHING other than to do with his PED abuse? lol The guy was a clear-cut HOFer before the PED abuse was outed. 500+ HRs AND 3,000+ hits, and you really think he isn't a HOFer? Come on, man.

JoshHamilton · Jul 30, 2011

sportscardtheory said:
JoshHamilton said:

I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy ****, you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

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You really think Palmeiro not getting in has ANYTHING other than to do with his PED abuse? lol The guy was a clear-cut HOFer before the PED abuse was outed. 500+ HRs AND 3,000+ hits, and you really think he isn't a HOFer? Come on, man.

Before the roid stuff, the consensus with Raffy was he was a compiler and never lead the league in any important statistical categories (I think both points are dumb, but whatever)

maxpower · Jul 30, 2011

JoshHamilton said:
sportscardtheory said:

JoshHamilton said:

I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy quit swearing you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

Click to expand...

You really think Palmeiro not getting in has ANYTHING other than to do with his PED abuse? lol The guy was a clear-cut HOFer before the PED abuse was outed. 500+ HRs AND 3,000+ hits, and you really think he isn't a HOFer? Come on, man.

Click to expand...

Before the roid stuff, the consensus with Raffy was he was a compiler and never lead the league in any important statistical categories (I think both points are dumb, but whatever)

I think people genuinely questioned his greatness, given how quietly he compiled his stats, but I think the point stands that Palmeiro's reasons for not being in the Hall are almost 100% PED related at this point.

And if he hadn't been juicing, I imagine he would have made it easily (even if there was some grumbling about how he wasn't as good as his numbers). No way that 3000/500 doesn't make the HOF unless there's a character issue.

jbrown · Jul 30, 2011

JoshHamilton said:
I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy quit swearing you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

I don't have much to add but I'm pretty sure you can't "smoke" acid. Just sayin

pootshwan · Jul 30, 2011

maxpower said:
JoshHamilton said:

sportscardtheory said:

JoshHamilton said:

I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy quit swearing you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

Click to expand...

You really think Palmeiro not getting in has ANYTHING other than to do with his PED abuse? lol The guy was a clear-cut HOFer before the PED abuse was outed. 500+ HRs AND 3,000+ hits, and you really think he isn't a HOFer? Come on, man.

Click to expand...

Before the roid stuff, the consensus with Raffy was he was a compiler and never lead the league in any important statistical categories (I think both points are dumb, but whatever)

Click to expand...

I think people genuinely questioned his greatness, given how quietly he compiled his stats, but I think the point stands that Palmeiro's reasons for not being in the Hall are almost 100% PED related at this point.

And if he hadn't been juicing, I imagine he would have made it easily (even if there was some grumbling about how he wasn't as good as his numbers). No way that 3000/500 doesn't make the HOF unless there's a character issue.

I was thinking the SAME thing :lol:

pootshwan · Jul 30, 2011

maxpower said:
JoshHamilton said:

sportscardtheory said:

JoshHamilton said:

I thought you were smoking acid when I read this.

But holy quit swearing you're right. Good god, I never knew he was that young and had compiled that much

He won't get in to the HOF for the same reason a Palmeiro won't get in. He doesn't stand out.

Click to expand...

You really think Palmeiro not getting in has ANYTHING other than to do with his PED abuse? lol The guy was a clear-cut HOFer before the PED abuse was outed. 500+ HRs AND 3,000+ hits, and you really think he isn't a HOFer? Come on, man.

Click to expand...

Before the roid stuff, the consensus with Raffy was he was a compiler and never lead the league in any important statistical categories (I think both points are dumb, but whatever)

Click to expand...

I think people genuinely questioned his greatness, given how quietly he compiled his stats, but I think the point stands that Palmeiro's reasons for not being in the Hall are almost 100% PED related at this point.

And if he hadn't been juicing, I imagine he would have made it easily (even if there was some grumbling about how he wasn't as good as his numbers). No way that 3000/500 doesn't make the HOF unless there's a character issue.

Agreed. Reaching just one of those milestones makes you HOF worthy. Unless you're tied to PED's.

lawhs89 · Jul 30, 2011

Always good debates. How about Damon or Vizquel?

homerun28aa · Jul 30, 2011

Another member in this thread brought up a good point, he won't get into the hall because he doesn't stand out at all.

MOFNY · Jul 30, 2011

There is no way. You would have to put in a slew of other players if Beltre makes it.

notjomommasclint · Jul 30, 2011

i say if you have to ask the question then he doesnt belong. also if he is only 32 earth years i am the commander of the star fleet.

vetsgt02 · Jul 30, 2011

I say No not unless he can have a good run in the next 5 years and get a MVP and 2000hits, or 200 hr's. He has not be elite and he needs to change that. If he gets and MVP with one of those other mile stones he might make it in with like 76% of the vote.

thefatguy · Jul 30, 2011

Hall of Fame, not hall of Great. No

Is Ortiz in the HOF? Similar players/numbers. Cannot say he is just because the Sox have won. At least Beltre plays D.

notjomommasclint · Jul 30, 2011

thefatguy said:
Hall of Fame, not hall of Great. No

Is Ortiz in the HOF? Similar players/numbers. Cannot say he is just because the Sox have won. At least Beltre plays D.

ortiz was the most feared dh in baseball for 5 years or so. i dont think he is a HOFer however i think the comparison to beltre is flawed since beltre has never been the most feared at his position. i think higher of scott rolen than i do beltre and i dont think rolen is hall of fame material either.

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