Could next year be the year where NO Hall of Famers elected?

AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR · Sep 14, 2011

Could be....

2012:
Edgardo Alfonzo, Pedro Astacio, David Bell, Jeromy Burnitz, Vinny Castilla, Scott Erickson, Carl Everett, Jeff Fassero, Alex S. Gonzalez, Danny Graves, Rick Helling, Dustin Hermanson, Jose Hernandez, Brian Jordan, Matt Lawton, Javy Lopez, Bill Mueller, Terry Mulholland, Jeff Nelson, Phil Nevin, Brad Radke, Joe Randa, Tim Salmon, Ruben Sierra, Jose Vizcaino, Bernie Williams, Eric Young

markakis8 · Sep 14, 2011

Do you mean for first timers?

I see Barry Larkin or Jeff Bagwell or both getting in next year.

HPC · Sep 14, 2011

The only name from that list that stands a chance is Bernie.

People will get in, but they'll be guys like Larkin

A_Pharis · Sep 14, 2011

Are you saying Astacio isn't a lock? I HATE YOU

markakis8 · Sep 14, 2011

It really has only been five years since Terry Mulholland retired? :lol:

TBTwinsFan · Sep 14, 2011

BRAD RADKE FOR HOF!

I would go nuts if that happened. He is a favorite.

He probably doesn't qualify as a HOFer though :lol:

Hallsgator · Sep 14, 2011

TBTwinsFan said:
BRAD RADKE FOR HOF!

I would go nuts if that happened. He is a favorite.

He probably doesn't qualify as a HOFer though :lol:

Yea, just missed it, imo.

David Campos · Sep 14, 2011

Why is Jim Bibby not on the ballot?

When I was a kid, me and my buddy would always laugh when we would see this card.

Reminds me of the dude in the Chapelle skit with the holla, holla, holla, let me holla at ya, holla holla holla holla holla.

[youtube:3710e8aa]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5YyvW1Kk7Q[/youtube:3710e8aa]

schmidtfan20 · Sep 14, 2011

They would rather put in average players than not put anyone in. They have already proved that.

Kevin

ChasHawk · Sep 14, 2011

As stated, those are just the first timers. Larkin and Rock are still on the ballot with many others.

Kevin, who was average?

leatherman · Sep 14, 2011

Larkin gets in next year.

2013 is where the rubber meets the road.

Bonds
Clemens
Sosa

As well as
Schilling
Biggio
Piazza

Piazza might be the only first timer elected in 2013, if the writers want to make a statement about their perception of steroids.

leatherman · Sep 14, 2011

David Campos said:
Why is Jim Bibby not on the ballot?

He was on the 1990 ballot, and got exactly one vote (as did Jerry Remy, Mike Torrez, and Greg Luzinski).

elmalo · Sep 14, 2011

Larkin will get in. I have a feeling Morris will get in as well though I dont think he is a hall of famer.

jpruitt2 · Sep 14, 2011

leatherman said:
Piazza might be the only first timer elected in 2013, if the writers want to make a statement about their perception of steroids.

if the writers want to do that then Piazza doesn't stand a chance. His name has been linked to steroids as much as most other players from that time.

smapdi · Sep 14, 2011

I think they've already made that statement with McGwire et al. The next phase is the 'everyone was doing it/forgiveness' ballot.

There has been at least one year where no one was elected by the straight-up writers ballot. Jim Bunning got in via Vet Committee in 1996, along with mgr Earl Weaver, and ***** Leaguers Ned Hanlon, and William Foster.

I think Larkin and Raines are deserving, though I doubt either gets in next year. Close, but no.

mchenrycards · Sep 14, 2011

leatherman said:
Larkin gets in next year.

2013 is where the rubber meets the road.

Bonds
Clemens
Sosa

As well as
Schilling
Biggio
Piazza

Piazza might be the only first timer elected in 2013, if the writers want to make a statement about their perception of steroids.

While I am in no way a Barry Bonds or Clemens fan the truth is these guys were hall of famers way before the steroid era. They tainted their careers but I feel they will get in only after being made to wait only because of their pre-1998 stats. Guys like Sosa and McGuire will probably never get in because of the perception that their careers only took off after they started taking roids. I think McGuire was having a decent career before the roids but not a HOF type career so I feel he has not shot to get in. If Maris isnt it then McGuire should not be. As for Sosa, roids and corked bats will keep him out of the HOF.

mchenrycards · Sep 14, 2011

smapdi said:
I think they've already made that statement with McGwire et al. The next phase is the 'everyone was doing it/forgiveness' ballot.

There has been at least one year where no one was elected by the straight-up writers ballot. Jim Bunning got in via Vet Committee in 1996, along with mgr Earl Weaver, and ***** Leaguers Ned Hanlon, and William Foster.

I think Larkin and Raines are deserving, though I doubt either gets in next year. Close, but no.

Lets be honest..the Hall of Fame should be for the best of the best and letting guys like Larkin, Biggio and Raines in will only water down the group as a whole. These guys had nice careers but are they honestly Hall of Fame caliber? Can they stand up next to Gehringer, Speaker and Wahoo Sam Crawford? Or lets pick more contemporary HOF'ers like Morgan, Ripken and Yaz. I just dont see these guys being deserving....nice careers yes..Hall of Fame caliber...I just dont see it.

uniquebaseballcards · Sep 14, 2011

mchenrycards said:
While I am in no way a Barry Bonds or Clemens fan the truth is these guys were hall of famers way before the steroid era. They tainted their careers but I feel they will get in only after being made to wait only because of their pre-1998 stats. Guys like Sosa and McGuire will probably never get in because of the perception that their careers only took off after they started taking roids. I think McGuire was having a decent career before the roids but not a HOF type career so I feel he has not shot to get in. If Maris isnt it then McGuire should not be. As for Sosa, roids and corked bats will keep him out of the HOF.

mchenrycards said:
Lets be honest..the Hall of Fame should be for the best of the best and letting guys like Larkin, Biggio and Raines in will only water down the group as a whole. These guys had nice careers but are they honestly Hall of Fame caliber? Can they stand up next to Gehringer, Speaker and Wahoo Sam Crawford? Or lets pick more contemporary HOF'ers like Morgan, Ripken and Yaz. I just dont see these guys being deserving....nice careers yes..Hall of Fame caliber...I just dont see it.

I'll tie these two posts together and say Larkin should get in if his stats against right-handed pitchers are forgiven.

All kidding aside, its not right to disregard or forgive anything from a player's body of work.

I'm surprised Larkin never led his league in a statistical category ever.

ThoseBackPages · Sep 14, 2011

HOF is, first and foremost, BIG BUSINESS

there will never be another year that there is no one elected

leatherman · Sep 14, 2011

mchenrycards said:
leatherman said:

Larkin gets in next year.

2013 is where the rubber meets the road.

Bonds
Clemens
Sosa

As well as
Schilling
Biggio
Piazza

Piazza might be the only first timer elected in 2013, if the writers want to make a statement about their perception of steroids.

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While I am in no way a Barry Bonds or Clemens fan the truth is these guys were hall of famers way before the steroid era. They tainted their careers but I feel they will get in only after being made to wait only because of their pre-1998 stats. Guys like Sosa and McGuire will probably never get in because of the perception that their careers only took off after they started taking roids. I think McGuire was having a decent career before the roids but not a HOF type career so I feel he has not shot to get in. If Maris isnt it then McGuire should not be. As for Sosa, roids and corked bats will keep him out of the HOF.

I completely understand your point. I think the writers will express their disdain for the era by not letting them be first ballot HOFers when they clearly would have been otherwise. It's not a huge statement, but there may be enough that feel this way to keep them from getting 75% their first year on the ballot.

To jpruitt2, I think Clemens-Bonds-Sosa (and McGwire) are the poster boys for steroids. I think the voters will want to make their statement with them, and that's the only reason I think Piazza will slide in.

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