Since we have not discussed Valiant enough....

Jaypers said:

A 1990 Leaf-style set with either a refractor or dufex finish added would look great, IMO.

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clarkfan said:

Jaypers said:

A 1990 Leaf-style set with either a refractor or dufex finish added would look great, IMO.

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People would just complain it looks to much like 1990 Leaf . . . although I agree it would be a nice look.

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jumbojohnny said:

I would like to see some more Dufex cards that have autos. Refractors are nice, but they are in everything these days. If you are going to bring back something "retro" then Dufex would be nice to see. Maybe even some embossed cards.

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Jaypers said:

A 1990 Leaf-style set with either a refractor or dufex finish added would look great, IMO.

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200lbhockeyplayer said:

When I think of prospects, I think modern, new. Resurrecting old designs, no matter how classic, for prospect laden products to me is a bad idea.

Create a design legacy, create a brand. Don't recreate some else's past successes.

The printing technology, coupled with some solid creative should create a true "voice" for Leaf in this industry.

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Bob Loblaw said:

Jaypers said:

A 1990 Leaf-style set with either a refractor or dufex finish added would look great, IMO.

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With the diagonal border on the left, clean finish, and the name on the bottom, Leaf Metal Draft does look similar to 1990 Leaf. Both are very nice, asthetically pleasing sets.

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matfanofold said:

200lbhockeyplayer said:

When I think of prospects, I think modern, new. Resurrecting old designs, no matter how classic, for prospect laden products to me is a bad idea.

Create a design legacy, create a brand. Don't recreate some else's past successes.

The printing technology, coupled with some solid creative should create a true "voice" for Leaf in this industry.

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For you then my good man, you would have Metal!

And in my opinion recreating atop of past sucesses with a modern spin is in and of it'self creative.

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matfanofold said:

I was thinking about how LEAF has comitted, at least verbally, to continuing it's Baseball Draft products for the forseeable future, and was just brainstorming a bit....

I think he should stick with the 2 seperate sets, one calles LEAF Draft Metal that could continue with the Metal framework going forward, but with Valiant, I think he should use another historicly accepted/appreciated design, like maybe the 1990 LEAF design with a refractor like finish, designed to accomidate a auto, ect... Point being, I would like to see the Valiant brand become a staple Baseball Draft set with a steady 'low' print run, all on card autos, and designed after the more popular releases in LEAF's baseball card history.

I think this could be LEAF Valiants nitch....

What say you?

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200lbhockeyplayer said:

matfanofold said:

200lbhockeyplayer said:

When I think of prospects, I think modern, new. Resurrecting old designs, no matter how classic, for prospect laden products to me is a bad idea.

Create a design legacy, create a brand. Don't recreate some else's past successes.

The printing technology, coupled with some solid creative should create a true "voice" for Leaf in this industry.

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For you then my good man, you would have Metal!

And in my opinion recreating atop of past sucesses with a modern spin is in and of it'self creative.

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For me, I really don't care too much about Chrome/Metal or whatever the formerly patented printing is called. I've seen it. We've all seen it, and frankly, the only ones that ever look great are the refractors. Base Chrome/Metal has looked weak and almost empty for the past 5 years.

There are so many great ways to use glosses, finishes, embossing, etc. in a subtle, clean and modern way.

I haven't seen a "chrome" card that really looked "modern" in 10 years.

But, it's being a slave to the technology that collectors seem to request. Chrome this, and Chrome that...totally boring to me. To each their own.

Push the envelope to find the company "soul."

That's all.

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RZimm11 said:

Having the Valiant line become the "Heritage" of LEAF would be cool. That would be a great way to make use of all the designs BG has access to. One line, with a set per year of past designs, with some twist.

But, as bolded, there still needs to be a set/sets that New LEAF has that are all their own.

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JEA2880 said:

How about a 1948 Leaf set

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200lbhockeyplayer said:

RZimm11 said:

Having the Valiant line become the "Heritage" of LEAF would be cool. That would be a great way to make use of all the designs BG has access to. One line, with a set per year of past designs, with some twist.

But, as bolded, there still needs to be a set/sets that New LEAF has that are all their own.

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It's called "Valiant" for eff's sake, anyone know the definition of valiant? And once everyone understands that definition, does anyone reasonable actually think that name applies to retread designs? With this concept, and it seems like people want it, perhaps Leaf Resurrection is a better brand name.

Seriously.

Leaf has a huge opportunity to make a difference, make a splash, but riding the coattails of the technology and designs of other companies isn't really seizing that opportunity.

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