late 80's early 90's cards

[CubsfanP]

Anytime I run across a 91 score wax box I buy it.

If not for fun, there are chipper RC's and even a small chance at some autos.

It's better to spend $5 on that than a current box at $100 or more that will give you nothing more than a kick in the junk.

 

[notjomommasclint]

The attitude about the 80s and 90s stuff will have to change before value can be increased.


I'm old Greg

 

[magicpapa]

I guess they will always be good for Bike Spokes....hehe

 

[nosterbor]

Being a Cub fan in the 60's, i can not remember how many 68 Ryan cards i did that to. ALOT

 

[MansGame]

The attitude about the 80s and 90s stuff will have to change before value can be increased.


I'm old Greg

This


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[mjbuchanan80]

Absolutely will not, ever, ever, be worth more than it is now. ($3-5/box or so)

Thinking otherwise demonstrates a deep misunderstanding of what the card collecting boom was.

Oh...didn't realize that this era of cards was made from indestructible paper that cannot be burned, dissolved into pulp and recycled, cut up, dumped in the Atlantic and not be turned to mush, etc...

You do realize why Mantle's '52 is worth hundred of thousands and not just thousands, right?

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[MansGame]

There is a lot of hinting at facts or why this era of cards is considered worthless... Honestly I would love to hear someones full explaination for it... sounds like supply is a huge part of it... sounds like lack of quality cards is a part of it... not sure what else or what I'm missing but there is a lot of banter starting and I'd love to hear some prospective around why value could come back, not come back, why it's down, etc.

 

[notjomommasclint]

If it wasn't for a tugboat and the bay there would be a plethora more mantle 52's!!


I'm old Greg

 

[ChasHawk]

No

 

[BBCgalaxee]

I consider 1987 the start of the boom.

Around this time, national news media started touting cards as better investments than gold, stocks, etc. Everyone saw it & started to stash cases (& singles) away.

But there was more to it than that.
In that time, the rookie crop was insane leading not only big investors to stash, but collectors too. Cases were about $200 or $10 a box & even with inflation, you can see how a small-er investment can lead to 10 cases in the garage.

Also, the way dealers ordered cards was different.

A dealer could have ordered 10 cases from topps on Jan. 6, sold all a week later & ordered more from topps. Rinse & repeat this over & over & over throughout most of the year & thats where overproduction happens.

Compare that to now when you have a very small order window & once it closes, no more pre orders are taken.

Now take the above scenario & multiply it by topps, donruss, fleer, score from 1987-1991 ( 87f,d weren't totally mass produced) & you see what happened.

In fact, starting in 88, donruss wanted to go head to head with topps. From 88-91, Where you saw topps, you saw donruss.

Compare the amount of 87 donruss boxes available for any price to 88, its staggering the difference.

Fleer started going the "donruss route" in 89 but the insane billy ripken "ff" craze caused untold amount of boxes to be opened lowering whats actually out there now. But fleer got what they wanted in 90 as it was everywhere.

Throw in score who literally said they were going to bang heads with topps & it all was a recipe for mass production/ hoarding (side note, 90 score series one football might be the most over produced fb product ever).


As for upper deck, although theres no shortage of it, 89 was not completely mass produced like the others but because of the success of the 89 issue, 90 & 91 were.

No one wanted to miss the boat like they did with 89 ud, so EVERYONE pre ordered 90 & stashed it (though it cost more than the others, it still was affordable).

But once the premium card craze started with 89 ud & 90 leaf, 91 stadium ran with it, the days of insane demand of stashing low end stuff ended.

And theres still more of it out there than we think. I KNOW there are people who (back then) paid $200 plus for each case who have them collecting dust in the garage. When they see the going rate of $75 for those cases, they have no interest in "losing" money, hoping one day they will re bound.

Next time anyone is at a show, take a minute to look at all these boxes & they always fall within this period for baseball & early 90s for the other sports.

 

[bongo870]

I still love the look of the 1990 donruss and the old 1988 "holloween" donruss.

 

[budvandall]

Is this your personal stash?? I knew you have a great griffey collection. I didn't know that you had a warehouse full of unopened boxes too!! lol

 

[MansGame]

I consider 1987 the start of the boom.

Around this time, national news media started touting cards as better investments than gold, stocks, etc. Everyone saw it & started to stash cases (& singles) away.

But there was more to it than that.
In that time, the rookie crop was insane leading not only big investors to stash, but collectors too. Cases were about $200 or $10 a box & even with inflation, you can see how a small-er investment can lead to 10 cases in the garage.

Also, the way dealers ordered cards was different.

A dealer could have ordered 10 cases from topps on Jan. 6, sold all a week later & ordered more from topps. Rinse & repeat this over & over & over throughout most of the year & thats where overproduction happens.

Compare that to now when you have a very small order window & once it closes, no more pre orders are taken.

Now take the above scenario & multiply it by topps, donruss, fleer, score from 1987-1991 ( 87f,d weren't totally mass produced) & you see what happened.

In fact, starting in 88, donruss wanted to go head to head with topps. From 88-91, Where you saw topps, you saw donruss.

Compare the amount of 87 donruss boxes available for any price to 88, its staggering the difference.

Fleer started going the "donruss route" in 89 but the insane billy ripken "ff" craze caused untold amount of boxes to be opened lowering whats actually out there now. But fleer got what they wanted in 90 as it was everywhere.

Throw in score who literally said they were going to bang heads with topps & it all was a recipe for mass production/ hoarding (side note, 90 score series one football might be the most over produced fb product ever).


As for upper deck, although theres no shortage of it, 89 was not completely mass produced like the others but because of the success of the 89 issue, 90 & 91 were.

No one wanted to miss the boat like they did with 89 ud, so EVERYONE pre ordered 90 & stashed it (though it cost more than the others, it still was affordable).

But once the premium card craze started with 89 ud & 90 leaf, 91 stadium ran with it, the days of insane demand of stashing low end stuff ended.

And theres still more of it out there than we think. I KNOW there are people who (back then) paid $200 plus for each case who have them collecting dust in the garage. When they see the going rate of $75 for those cases, they have no interest in "losing" money, hoping one day they will re bound.

Next time anyone is at a show, take a minute to look at all these boxes & they always fall within this period for baseball & early 90s for the other sports.

Very very interesting.

So what's the story with the Mantle? A huge lot of them fall off a boat or something lol


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[predatorkj]

I consider 1987 the start of the boom.

Around this time, national news media started touting cards as better investments than gold, stocks, etc. Everyone saw it & started to stash cases (& singles) away.

But there was more to it than that.
In that time, the rookie crop was insane leading not only big investors to stash, but collectors too. Cases were about $200 or $10 a box & even with inflation, you can see how a small-er investment can lead to 10 cases in the garage.

Also, the way dealers ordered cards was different.

A dealer could have ordered 10 cases from topps on Jan. 6, sold all a week later & ordered more from topps. Rinse & repeat this over & over & over throughout most of the year & thats where overproduction happens.

Compare that to now when you have a very small order window & once it closes, no more pre orders are taken.

Now take the above scenario & multiply it by topps, donruss, fleer, score from 1987-1991 ( 87f,d weren't totally mass produced) & you see what happened.

In fact, starting in 88, donruss wanted to go head to head with topps. From 88-91, Where you saw topps, you saw donruss.

Compare the amount of 87 donruss boxes available for any price to 88, its staggering the difference.

Fleer started going the "donruss route" in 89 but the insane billy ripken "ff" craze caused untold amount of boxes to be opened lowering whats actually out there now. But fleer got what they wanted in 90 as it was everywhere.

Throw in score who literally said they were going to bang heads with topps & it all was a recipe for mass production/ hoarding (side note, 90 score series one football might be the most over produced fb product ever).


As for upper deck, although theres no shortage of it, 89 was not completely mass produced like the others but because of the success of the 89 issue, 90 & 91 were.

No one wanted to miss the boat like they did with 89 ud, so EVERYONE pre ordered 90 & stashed it (though it cost more than the others, it still was affordable).

But once the premium card craze started with 89 ud & 90 leaf, 91 stadium ran with it, the days of insane demand of stashing low end stuff ended.

And theres still more of it out there than we think. I KNOW there are people who (back then) paid $200 plus for each case who have them collecting dust in the garage. When they see the going rate of $75 for those cases, they have no interest in "losing" money, hoping one day they will re bound.

Next time anyone is at a show, take a minute to look at all these boxes & they always fall within this period for baseball & early 90s for the other sports.

Not saying it isn't out there at shows, but I rarely see it at Tristar, which is the biggest show we have down here. Nobody bothers carrying it out there.

 

[nosterbor]

The 52 Topps Mantle is way over priced. Imo. Over 150 active listings on ebay right now and 100 sold.
Check this sale out. Come on,seriously?
1952 Topps 311 Mickey Mantle RC Rookie Centered Yankees HOF High SGC 10 1 | eBay

 

[mjbuchanan80]

Very very interesting.

So what's the story with the Mantle? A huge lot of them fall off a boat or something lol


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Not fell...intentionally dumped. Sy Berger needed to clear warehouse space for upcoming '53 Topps product so they took the cases, upon cases of high series '52 they didn't end up selling and dumped them in the Atlantic.


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[MansGame]

Not fell...intentionally dumped. Sy Berger needed to clear warehouse space for upcoming '53 Topps product so they took the cases, upon cases of high series '52 they didn't end up selling and dumped them in the Atlantic.


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No freaking way


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[hive17]

Not fell...intentionally dumped. Sy Berger needed to clear warehouse space for upcoming '53 Topps product so they took the cases, upon cases of high series '52 they didn't end up selling and dumped them in the Atlantic.


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True story; except I always heard it was the Hudson River.

 

[budvandall]

The 52 Topps Mantle is way over priced. Imo. Over 150 active listings on ebay right now and 100 sold.
Check this sale out. Come on,seriously?
1952 Topps 311 Mickey Mantle RC Rookie Centered Yankees HOF High SGC 10 1 | eBay

This is just stupid. imo. Why would anyone pay that much for a torn up card???

 

[ThoseBackPages]

This is just stupid. imo. Why would anyone pay that much for a torn up card???

Thats actually in pretty good shape. great centering. shame about the mustache removal. Remember, this is the second most popular card in the hobby