sportscardtheory
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I don't believe I have seen anyone do that.
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I don't believe I have seen anyone do that.
ballerskrip
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I am curious to see where this heads. Sadly there isn't much we can do as collectors, outside of stop buying their products all together.
Mighty Bombjack
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Did you see my original quote of BG himself? Who is the "we" that is "tickled" in his sarcastic statement?
scotty216brs
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Couldn't he buy a lot of Harper autos after he sold the case of Draft?
sportscardtheory
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I'm not sure what your point is? There certainly are people who support the Topps exclusive. Clearly he was making a sarcastic dig at those people by siding with the overwhelming majority who dislike the Topps exclusive. I read what he wrote and didn't bat an eye because I understood it.
maxe0213
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That is far from the point here.
Mighty Bombjack
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Did you read this thread, also on the main page? I think that if you do, you will see a number of posts asking why so many people are defending Topps, MLB, and the exclusive license, when all I see is people (like myself) doubting the chances of his strategy being successful.
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131244
I think I'm off to start my first poll and see who will admit to liking Topps's exclusive.
scotty216brs
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Then I suppose I don't understand the point. Harper is not signing the cards and Topps does not have several hundred dollar card replacements so they offered him a case. I think the case is about the same value as the card in question so he can sell the case and buy whatever the frig he wants.
If he knew better he would have sold the redemption when he got it. Doesn't anyone ever learn? lol...It's not like Topps has never had unfulfilled redemptions before.
maxe0213
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It doesn't sound like you have read the situation at all.
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/631865-i-just-filed-lawsuit-against-topps.html
Also if you go find the original redemption thread from Chapmans it will open your eyes again as to why he is doing this. Its not just about the Harper and the case.
NeedChapmans
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Well fellas, I'm doing the best I can here (I think).
For seven months, I've been nothing but kind and courteous to all Topps staff, and I'm looking only for a fair replacement of one or two cards (baseball or football). Not once in that time period of 50+ calls, 25+ emails was I ever offered anything reasonable - and from day one, I said no product. Topps continues to print ridiculous high end redemptions (25 auto books, 1/1 threads) and the frequency of redemptions has gone higher and higher.
I might lose, but so what? I understand that many collectors don't have the time or money to put up a fight for Topps, but I do; and thus I feel a responsibility (somewhat) to try what I can try to make sure redemptions replacements are fair.
For seven months, I've been nothing but kind and courteous to all Topps staff, and I'm looking only for a fair replacement of one or two cards (baseball or football). Not once in that time period of 50+ calls, 25+ emails was I ever offered anything reasonable - and from day one, I said no product. Topps continues to print ridiculous high end redemptions (25 auto books, 1/1 threads) and the frequency of redemptions has gone higher and higher.
I might lose, but so what? I understand that many collectors don't have the time or money to put up a fight for Topps, but I do; and thus I feel a responsibility (somewhat) to try what I can try to make sure redemptions replacements are fair.
He was offered what its worth in a case of cards worth around $950. He could sell it and get what he is owed. So technically fighting for $50 in public is what he is fighting for and owed.
scotty216brs
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It's good that you are trying but I honestly don't think it will change much. Topps will always be Topps, especially when they are the only major player in town.
Brian from Leaf does things right especially regarding redemptions. If only Topps could learn a thing or two from him but they won't because they don't care about the collectors buying their product.
Brian from Leaf does things right especially regarding redemptions. If only Topps could learn a thing or two from him but they won't because they don't care about the collectors buying their product.
sportscardtheory
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Bologna. He is owed the Harper auto, not something he could POTENTIALLY sell for the same value as the Harper. It's a bait and switch and you and so many others' "sit on your hands and do diddly squat" attitude while mocking others for sticking up for what is right is EXACTLY why Topps does this crap and gets away with it.
A_Pharis
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Can anyone find a redemption from that same product so we can see the wording? If it says "Subject to replacement," then trying to argue what it should be replaced with is moot.
sportscardtheory
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I don't think "pass the buck to the next guy" is the best way to go about things.
sportscardtheory
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Does it say that on the packs, boxes and cases too? Because who cares if it says it on what's inside the packs when what you are buying is sealed packs, boxes and cases in hopes for what's inside. You don't buy something for a specific price in HOPES to get it, do you. You buy it TO GET IT. Wording does not exclude a company from committing fraud and/or bait and switch.
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NeedChapmans
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"This REDEMPTION CODE must be received or entered onto www.Topps.com/redemptions no later than the expiration date listed on the reverse side of this card. Allow 12 to 15 weeks for processing. Substitutions of equal or greater value will be made if the insert is unavailable for any reason."
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-James-...1335849976?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cd8d49bf8
No, they are saying we dont have the card so heres equal value. How dare they! And bait and switch? I guess you missed the part of the sell sheet which says players subject to change. All of which is irrelevant as topps offered to make it right. Just not to his liking which is off. He is demanding 2 cards worth 1,000 but 1 case worth 950 is CRAZY!!!
Sorry but they are not doing anything but trying to make it right. Now as for the guy who gets 15 $4 autographs for $500 in cards he would have a fight. But this is really a whole bunch of nothing at all over $50.00. They attempted to make him right, this is what the courts will see and this will be done with.
I am all for fellow collectors getting what's deserved and have been very vocal about it in the past, but why should I care if topps offered him what he is owed and since he dont like it now its a problem? Facts are this, topps offered to make him right almost right at what he wants. He just wants it differently.
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sportscardtheory
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Everything included in a product's release aids in creating a sell value. Those Harpers are part of what created the value of the unopened product. When Topps took away those Harpers, they lowered the value of the product, but the prices were already paid. That's fraud in my eyes. Simply saying "We will make it up to you" doesn't change a thing.
Name another business that is allowed to sell things they don't have, and when the customer wants what they paid for, they try and give them something that THEY decide is "equal" value. Give me a break. How you can support that business model blows my mind.
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scotty216brs
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That may be true but the term 'caveat emptor' comes to mind when dealing with redemption cards. I think the point Adam is trying to make is that Topps usually says if they can not get the card made then they will replace it with something (non-specific) of equal value. Considering they didn't have any $1000 replacement cards they offered the next best thing, and that's a case of equal value.
Is it fair? No. But there is always the risk that the redemption will not be fulfilled and it will be replaced with something similar value wise. I've seen some horror stories of Topps redemption replacements on here and BMB...people actually getting replacements that had a value of less than half of what the initial card was, HOFers being replaced with common stars, etc....
