Approximate Premium of BGS Graded Razor Autographs?

[Jaypers]

I just finished looking through all of the autographs pulled from my case, and couldn't find one card that would even grade a BGS 9, thanks to the badly chipped back edges and corners.

I think this issue might be more condition sensitive than the older USA sets.

What type of multiplier would you assign to a BGS 9? BGS 9.5? Or do you think we likely won't see either one?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

 

[js0000001]

I've been checking population reports to see when the 1st pop

 

[masonphillip]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

In the past we haven't seen multipliers for 9.5 cards vary that much. Chrome has a certain figure, Elite is maybe plus 10%, USA maybe plus a little more.

A particular example comes to mind, David Branson (leatherman) sent 96 usa autos to BGS, got two 9.5s, one a Red Laporta /100 Auto. When he sold it on ebay it garnered no more of a premium than a chrome rc auto, of which maybe half will grade out. I'm not saying that's the way it should be but it certainly is the way it is.

I think Razor autos should garner a large premium. Although the chipping on the backs is rough you have several things to your advantage. #1, no centering issues to speak of, #2 surface is generally clean, #3 although not all of them have them, some cards do have clean corners. That being said, i think we'll see some 9.5s.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

In the past we haven't seen multipliers for 9.5 cards vary that much. Chrome has a certain figure, Elite is maybe plus 10%, USA maybe plus a little more.

A particular example comes to mind, David Branson (leatherman) sent 96 usa autos to BGS, got two 9.5s, one a Red Laporta /100 Auto. When he sold it on ebay it garnered no more of a premium than a chrome rc auto, of which maybe half will grade out. I'm not saying that's the way it should be but it certainly is the way it is.

I think Razor autos should garner a large premium. Although the chipping on the backs is rough you have several things to your advantage. #1, no centering issues to speak of, #2 surface is generally clean, #3 although not all of them have them, some cards do have clean corners. That being said, i think we'll see some 9.5s.

If there are still so few LaPorta 9.5's of said product, I think when/if he makes a splash in the Majors, it will sell for a considerable premium.

 

[masonphillip]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

In the past we haven't seen multipliers for 9.5 cards vary that much. Chrome has a certain figure, Elite is maybe plus 10%, USA maybe plus a little more.

A particular example comes to mind, David Branson (leatherman) sent 96 usa autos to BGS, got two 9.5s, one a Red Laporta /100 Auto. When he sold it on ebay it garnered no more of a premium than a chrome rc auto, of which maybe half will grade out. I'm not saying that's the way it should be but it certainly is the way it is.

I think Razor autos should garner a large premium. Although the chipping on the backs is rough you have several things to your advantage. #1, no centering issues to speak of, #2 surface is generally clean, #3 although not all of them have them, some cards do have clean corners. That being said, i think we'll see some 9.5s.

If there are still so few LaPorta 9.5's of said product, I think when/if he makes a splash in the Majors, it will sell for a considerable premium.

I think that remains to be seen, he was en fuego when David sold it.

 

[matfanofold]

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Right now, it's all guess work. Sure, your case may have been chipped to hell, and even thoes who you talked to but there are many cases out there, which may have perfect copies. Has brian confirmed EVERY case was produced with the same chipped cards or are you assuming all are just as bad as yours, and perhaps thoes who you talked too??


Eithor way, only time will tell as more and more get graded.

 

[beefycheddar]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

In the past we haven't seen multipliers for 9.5 cards vary that much. Chrome has a certain figure, Elite is maybe plus 10%, USA maybe plus a little more.

A particular example comes to mind, David Branson (leatherman) sent 96 usa autos to BGS, got two 9.5s, one a Red Laporta /100 Auto. When he sold it on ebay it garnered no more of a premium than a chrome rc auto, of which maybe half will grade out. I'm not saying that's the way it should be but it certainly is the way it is.

I think Razor autos should garner a large premium. Although the chipping on the backs is rough you have several things to your advantage. #1, no centering issues to speak of, #2 surface is generally clean, #3 although not all of them have them, some cards do have clean corners. That being said, i think we'll see some 9.5s.

If there are still so few LaPorta 9.5's of said product, I think when/if he makes a splash in the Majors, it will sell for a considerable premium.

I think that remains to be seen, he was en fuego when David sold it.

I bought the 9.5 and paid about 20-30 more for it than I did a base one that wasn't graded.

 

[masonphillip]

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Right now, it's all guess work. Sure, your case may have been chipped to hell, and even thoes who you talked to but there are many cases out there, which may have perfect copies. Has brian confirmed EVERY case was produced with the same chipped cards or are you assuming all are just as bad as yours, and perhaps thoes who you talked too??


Eithor way, only time will tell as more and more get graded.

Everyone I've talked to, my 6, Jim's 10, JP, Jcmints 4, NECs 1, Andrews team breaks have all had chipping just the same way.

 

[steve-a-reno]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

In the past we haven't seen multipliers for 9.5 cards vary that much. Chrome has a certain figure, Elite is maybe plus 10%, USA maybe plus a little more.

A particular example comes to mind, David Branson (leatherman) sent 96 usa autos to BGS, got two 9.5s, one a Red Laporta /100 Auto. When he sold it on ebay it garnered no more of a premium than a chrome rc auto, of which maybe half will grade out. I'm not saying that's the way it should be but it certainly is the way it is.

I think Razor autos should garner a large premium. Although the chipping on the backs is rough you have several things to your advantage. #1, no centering issues to speak of, #2 surface is generally clean, #3 although not all of them have them, some cards do have clean corners. That being said, i think we'll see some 9.5s.

Very possible, but I also think we'll see a lot of 9 auto grades as well. That could also shake things up a bit.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Right now, it's all guess work. Sure, your case may have been chipped to hell, and even thoes who you talked to but there are many cases out there, which may have perfect copies. Has brian confirmed EVERY case was produced with the same chipped cards or are you assuming all are just as bad as yours, and perhaps thoes who you talked too??


Eithor way, only time will tell as more and more get graded.

Everyone I've talked to, my 6, Jim's 10, JP, Jcmints 4, NECs 1, Andrews team breaks have all had chipping just the same way.

This may become like the OPC's and the chipping may be "acceptable" to bgs, if its a flaw throughout the
entire print run

 

[Johan Santana 57]

maybe it will be like previous bowman releases where bowman base 9.5 rookies get a premium and that whole set is chipped (like with the black edged bowman)

 

[matfanofold]

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Right now, it's all guess work. Sure, your case may have been chipped to hell, and even thoes who you talked to but there are many cases out there, which may have perfect copies. Has brian confirmed EVERY case was produced with the same chipped cards or are you assuming all are just as bad as yours, and perhaps thoes who you talked too??


Eithor way, only time will tell as more and more get graded.

Everyone I've talked to, my 6, Jim's 10, JP, Jcmints 4, NECs 1, Andrews team breaks have all had chipping just the same way.

Which means there is still how many cases unacounted for as for chipping?


I kinda assumed someone was going to say "everyone i talked to........" but its still just a small sample. Although it may turn out correct and widespread, just taking the word of a few that are selling the product would be foolish. What did you find wrong with my statment below?

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Or did you just want to make people believe you know everything allready?

 

[leatherman]

I bought the 9.5 and paid about 20-30 more for it than I did a base one that wasn't graded.

I sold you the 9.5 for around $70-75 when raws were going for about $40-45, so you are right on. This is a pretty typical bump for a chrome card, which isn't nearly as condition sensitive.

The lone PSA 9 I got (received nine PSA 8s) got $40: no premium whatsoever.


David

 

[beefycheddar]

I bought the 9.5 and paid about 20-30 more for it than I did a base one that wasn't graded.

I sold you the 9.5 for around $70-75 when raws were going for about $40-45, so you are right on. This is a pretty typical bump for a chrome card, which isn't nearly as condition sensitive.

The lone PSA 9 I got (received nine PSA 8s) got $40: no premium whatsoever.


David

Yeah, and I got a BGS 8.5 and PSA 8 for less than Raw ones.

 

[masonphillip]

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Right now, it's all guess work. Sure, your case may have been chipped to hell, and even thoes who you talked to but there are many cases out there, which may have perfect copies. Has brian confirmed EVERY case was produced with the same chipped cards or are you assuming all are just as bad as yours, and perhaps thoes who you talked too??


Eithor way, only time will tell as more and more get graded.

Everyone I've talked to, my 6, Jim's 10, JP, Jcmints 4, NECs 1, Andrews team breaks have all had chipping just the same way.

Which means there is still how many cases unacounted for as for chipping?


I kinda assumed someone was going to say "everyone i talked to........" but its still just a small sample. Although it may turn out correct and widespread, just taking the word of a few that are selling the product would be foolish. What did you find wrong with my statment below?

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Or did you just want to make people believe you know everything allready?

I actually think the sample isn't bad, it is 24 cases, better than 1% of the print run and the cases have come from different sources etc so I'm not just going to assume that somewhere out there, there are golden copies of these things. Generally in my grading experience (3000 plus cards subbed) sets go one way or the other and they go together. They are uniform whether it is for better or for worse. So i'll stand by my "this is the way they'll likely be" until I see a small bit of evidence to persuade me otherwise.

Not sure what you are really trying to say by asking "what did you find wrong with my statement." I don't know if I found anything wrong with it but generally for prospect releases the best premiums are seen shortly after release for 9.5s (when the masses are still looking for the product) and thereafter only when the prospect gets hot, just for the individual cards.

 

[Incline Investments]

04 Elites had a pretty solid premium for 9.5s, and I think these are fairly similar (condition-wise) to those.

Actually, this year is reminding me a LOT of 2004 in terms of prospect products.

 

[schmidtfan20]

Doesn't anyone think the slight chipping will only add value to the GEMS... isn't that better than having every card GEM MINT out of the pack?

Condition should decrease with age, not shoddy workmanship. For that price every card should be mint.

Kevin

 

[masonphillip]

04 Elites had a pretty solid premium for 9.5s, and I think these are fairly similar (condition-wise) to those.

Actually, this year is reminding me a LOT of 2004 in terms of prospect products.

I think you are right on, the buy in prices, the variety of products and cards avaialble for players..


in 2006 people made a heckuva a lot of money of 2004 products

 

[matfanofold]

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Right now, it's all guess work. Sure, your case may have been chipped to hell, and even thoes who you talked to but there are many cases out there, which may have perfect copies. Has brian confirmed EVERY case was produced with the same chipped cards or are you assuming all are just as bad as yours, and perhaps thoes who you talked too??


Eithor way, only time will tell as more and more get graded.

Everyone I've talked to, my 6, Jim's 10, JP, Jcmints 4, NECs 1, Andrews team breaks have all had chipping just the same way.

Which means there is still how many cases unacounted for as for chipping?


I kinda assumed someone was going to say "everyone i talked to........" but its still just a small sample. Although it may turn out correct and widespread, just taking the word of a few that are selling the product would be foolish. What did you find wrong with my statment below?

At first, I do not think you will see any real premium as it will be too early to tell just how many are going to grade what. After several months and many graded cards pop, it will be easier to tell whats really going on and premiums will self level.

Or did you just want to make people believe you know everything allready?

I actually think the sample isn't bad, it is 24 cases, better than 1% of the print run and the cases have come from different sources etc so I'm not just going to assume that somewhere out there, there are golden copies of these things. Generally in my grading experience (3000 plus cards subbed) sets go one way or the other and they go together. They are uniform whether it is for better or for worse. So i'll stand by my "this is the way they'll likely be" until I see a small bit of evidence to persuade me otherwise.

Not sure what you are really trying to say by asking "what did you find wrong with my statement." I don't know if I found anything wrong with it but generally for prospect releases the best premiums are seen shortly after release for 9.5s (when the masses are still looking for the product) and thereafter only when the prospect gets hot, just for the individual cards.

My Point was encased in the "what did you find wrong with this statment" quote which was the notable theme of my post you avoided to comment on origonally. Being, until more time passes, many are graded and a bigger picture is gathered, I think it a bit premature trying to figure out a premium for precieved scarcity(by a sample size of ~1%). Which I believe to be pretty hard to disagree with logicly. But then again, I am not sitting on any, I am not selling or slabbing any so that may be why...