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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Menard View Post
    Hmmm....

    I don't want this to become too much work. I (WE) TRULY appreciate the work you've done and continue to do!!!

    I think a lot of the nice stuff that has people up in the + column is a result of items posted that have not been claimed, as is your situation that you elude to (I would not have any idea about this if you didn't mention it). Why people haven't claimed those items is beyond me, but my initial guess is that it got lost in the thread or the post you made with items available isn't being looked at. Another thing is that it's probably hard to get newer people to know what the hell is going on in this thread as it's now over 100 pages deep. CONGRATS TO US!!! That is awesome, but it might be intimidating for new people to jump in as a result and they certainly can't be expected to go fishing through all the pages to find items or to figure out that there is a master list of items out there.

    I updated the rules in post 1 a little to address some of this. Basically, if an item is up for 3 days with no takers, you should make a reminder post about your item. If it's still there after a full week, perhaps it's a sign of little to no interest and should be replaced with something else.

    My only point about the +/- thing is this: There could eventually be people who are +50, but really are "0." Example: I post 100 items over time. I claim 50 items, and I have 50 of my 100 items claimed. I look like I'm +50 by the count above. If I go on a spree and take 50 more items, while no one claims anymore of mine, I'll now look like "0" by the above tracking method, but really I'm -50 because I still own 50 of my original 100 items. I may NEVER be able to truly get back to a 1/1 ratio. I may disappear from the site at that point and you'll never see me again. Then what? I've basically taken the members here for 50 free PC items!

    I don't really care how we account for +/-, but I want to be sure we don't let people get too far out in front with the "+" status, which I see almost as important as not letting people get too far behind with the "-" status either, unless someone truly has had + X more items claimed (not posted, but claimed) than they have claimed.

    I think a better way to track it is a column for "Items Claimed By Others" and "Items Claimed From Others" with the "+/-" representing the difference between those two numbers. I hope this makes sense!
    I list the exact post where an unclaimed item is, so items are not hard to find.

    In fact, maybe you should post the linked SS in the first thread, that way it is always in the first thread.
    I can PM you the link everytime and you can put it up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelstepper View Post
    If something I said was taken in a wrong way I certainly didn't mean it to be.
    There are some great items NOT claimed and I can't figure out why. Just saying if they have sat for a while post them up again to remind everyone or find something different. That was my only thought on the issue.
    As far as Cats getting a free claim I'm all for it for the work he's put into keeping some order to this. Dans helped him and I sent him a card for his nephew. But I think with recent events included, a break is warranted and if he's looking for anything specific I'd like to help


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    Upper Echelon --- Free To A Good Home --- Read Post 1 Before You Participate

    Gah sorry! Not sure where I became confused



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    Jeff,

    You see something you like, claim it. You don't have to wait for someone to take something from you. The only people participating in this thread are established board members. That was my intention from square one. The reason being, we wouldn't have to worry too much about people abusing the thread. So far, I think we've really achieved that. I don't see anything that has gone on here that has made me say, "uht oh!"

    I don't think anyone would have a problem with you taking something from the thread, even if something of yours has not been claimed. If it's not claimed after a few days, repost. If still there after a week, maybe time to replace it with something else?

    As for counting - you can bet your bottom dollar this thread IS about counting! No scamming is going to take place here. It is strictly a 1:1 ratio. What I didn't want to be a stickler about is value, other than the $15 minimum cash value and the common sense rule on replacement value. If people are taking $50 cards and replacing with $15 cards - well, they may get away with it once, but that will be about it. Doing it a second time, will earn them a requirement to make amends or get out. However, I would never even squabble about a $30-35 replacement on a $50 take. Heck, hopefully that person remembers that next time they take a $15 value card and they replace it with a $30 value card.

    That said, feel free to take all the $15 cards you want and replace with higher value cards! That will only improve the quality of the stuff here long term.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    Oh, I don't care. Either way. I wasn't "counting" and I didn't think that this thread was ABOUT "counting". Doesn't look like they're being taken. Looks like I've got about $100 worth of stuff -- 2 blasters at $20 ea and 2 NT cards at $25-30 ea, and no one's biting. There's been one card I wanted and it was snagged by someone who's taken 3 cards already. Just waiting for stuff to be taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musial Collector View Post
    I list the exact post where an unclaimed item is, so items are not hard to find.

    In fact, maybe you should post the linked SS in the first thread, that way it is always in the first thread.
    I can PM you the link everytime and you can put it up there.
    Your call.
    Right on. This makes sense! Send me the link and I'll post it in thread post #1

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    I wasn't worried about waiting for someone to take something. I've had no interest in anything other than the Schmidt. It was my impression that we were all trusted and didn't need to be monitored, and would do the right thing in regard to this thread. Sadly, I guess not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Menard View Post
    Jeff,

    You see something you like, claim it. You don't have to wait for someone to take something from you. The only people participating in this thread are established board members. That was my intention from square one. The reason being, we wouldn't have to worry too much about people abusing the thread. So far, I think we've really achieved that. I don't see anything that has gone on here that has made me say, "uht oh!"

    I don't think anyone would have a problem with you taking something from the thread, even if something of yours has not been claimed. If it's not claimed after a few days, repost. If still there after a week, maybe time to replace it with something else?

    As for counting - you can bet your bottom dollar this thread IS about counting! No scamming is going to take place here. It is strictly a 1:1 ratio. What I didn't want to be a stickler about is value, other than the $15 minimum cash value and the common sense rule on replacement value. If people are taking $50 cards and replacing with $15 cards - well, they may get away with it once, but that will be about it. Doing it a second time, will earn them a requirement to make amends or get out. However, I would never even squabble about a $30-35 replacement on a $50 take. Heck, hopefully that person remembers that next time they take a $15 value card and they replace it with a $30 value card.

    That said, feel free to take all the $15 cards you want and replace with higher value cards! That will only improve the quality of the stuff here long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    I wasn't worried about waiting for someone to take something. I've had no interest in anything other than the Schmidt. It was my impression that we were all trusted and didn't need to be monitored, and would do the right thing in regard to this thread. Sadly, I guess not.
    Again very first post:

    "This should be community monitored."

    The showing of where people stood was a friendly reminder, a heads up, as again, a lot of members lose track of where they stand in posting and claiming when you are posting and claiming.
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    I don't see anything sad about this thread at all! I think some moderation and watching over the thread is healthy. I think the thread could be fine without it too, given the members that are participating, but nonetheless, it never hurts to a few people just keeping tabs on things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw View Post
    I wasn't worried about waiting for someone to take something. I've had no interest in anything other than the Schmidt. It was my impression that we were all trusted and didn't need to be monitored, and would do the right thing in regard to this thread. Sadly, I guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Menard View Post
    I don't see anything sad about this thread at all! I think some moderation and watching over the thread is healthy. I think the thread could be fine without it too, given the members that are participating, but nonetheless, it never hurts to a few people just keeping tabs on things.
    Exactly Bill, that is what went wrong with the PIF thread, no monitoring, no rules. Seemed to be more of a social experiment more than anything. If we didnt have a set of rules and some monitoring, this thread would have died long ago. There is nothing here that is sad or that has been done incorrectly. Yes some things have needed some tweaking, but just as they rules have adjusted so have the people participating. If people dont care for the rules or the monitoring, then they dont respect the thread and what its all about and need to participate in a different thread IMO.
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    Upper Echelon --- Free To A Good Home --- Read Post 1 Before You Participate

    To get us back on track


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    maybe on the +- make it Number claimed and how many were actually claimed from you then a separate column for how many pending items. just an idea.

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    I love this thread. I just hope it does not turn into the Free to Good Home Thread with high end cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexs64 View Post
    I love this thread. I just hope it does not turn into the Free to Good Home Thread with high end cards.

    Your an emotional roller coaster


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    Quote Originally Posted by michaelstepper View Post
    Your an emotional roller coaster


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    LOL. I was eluding to an earlier post that just confused the crap out of me.
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