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    With the redemption wording, what keeps them from advertising and inserting whatever they want to sell a product and knowingly not have the ability to produce that hit and just replace it at the value they see fit just because of the wording? Didn't they do that with the Jimi Hendrix relic that was never obtained before release? Hasn't there been issues with Ginter autos (Sig Hansen) where the individuals didn't weren't approached to sign until after the product went live. These are definate cases of bait and switch.

    What if they advertise a product with a guarantee of a Ruth cut in every case. When you open your case and pull the cut, it's a redemption and they say they weren't able to produce the card. So now they offer you a case of the product with the Ruth cut as a replacement. See the problem here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeedChapmans View Post

    I'm fighting for a change in the redemption process; specifically a change in the way Topps handles redemptions and redemption replacements. They theory behind the process is fine; but no one can argue Topps does an even average job at taking care of it's customers requests for replacements.
    Which you are doing in small claims court which in the end nothing will change or be resolved. Are you not understanding that small claims court achieves nothing? Except when they offer what YOU agreed upon and you accept. If you think the card was worth 1,500 you should have made them agree to that number not agree upon 1,000 and then get angry when they offer you MORE than that.

    You can literally take the case, sell it and buy one of the orange harpers currently listed on ebay and maybe have cash left over if you haggle. Everything you want. And yet chooses this route which in the end may get you a check for the same amount..
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    Chapmans seems to be arguing for the principle of the thing. While a single small claims case is not going to change the way Topps does things, a victory is the sort of thing that can get people talking and eventually change things. Think about the 159 gold Jagr refractor guy. His winning a six-figure verdict (was it eventually reduced/thrown out? Can't remember) probably led directly to serial-numbering being common and few if any claims on print runs without numbering. A little research finds that another guy settled a similar case with Greg Maddux cards from 1996 Finest. Never heard of that one, probably because it was settled.

    The point I'm laboriously making is that he submitted a redemption for a certain card. Being offered something else in return, even if the market value of that product is greater than the object card is besides the point. If anything, Topps should be the one to sell that case of product, go on ebay, buy a Harper, and send that to the Chapmans. Why should Chapmans have to do all that extra work to maybe eventually get the card Topps promised him?

    And while I'm thinking of it, if you're going to buy someone off, BUY THEM OFF, don't horsetrade like a low-balling dealer at a second rate show. They own the factory so how about 5 cases? How about a fistful of good cards that actually were made, never redeemed and have now expired? How about a trip to NYC to tour the Topps vault? I was at dinner the other night, and my date and I ordered food and specifically said "no onions" on both our dishes. They both came out with onions. Rather than just remaking them, or removing those items from the bill, they comped our whole meal. It cost them a little in the short run, but we're good customers and they know the value of one meal will be worth 50 over the next few years.
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    The rational logic you're trying to apply has no place in the trading card hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyc3 View Post
    BTW ignore the fact topps offered him a case worth 1,000 and he is making a scene over nothing trying to rally the troops for HIS cause.He was offered a fair deal and just wants to make a stink. I must say he is quite the drama queen.
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    Then I suppose I don't understand the point. Harper is not signing the cards and Topps does not have several hundred dollar card replacements so they offered him a case. I think the case is about the same value as the card in question so he can sell the case and buy whatever the frig he wants.
    Pretty sure the Harper Oranges were selling for 1500-2000 at one point (probably around the time the guy redeemed his). Also the Harper is one of the best cards from the entire product. Offering him unopened wax does not adequately replace the card, and certainly not when the card is at an all-time low value during the middle of winter (when he originally had asked about a replacement during the season).



    Quote Originally Posted by sportscardtheory View Post
    Bologna. He is owed the Harper auto, not something he could POTENTIALLY sell for the same value as the Harper. It's a bait and switch and you and so many others' "sit on your hands and do diddly squat" attitude while mocking others for sticking up for what is right is EXACTLY why Topps does this crap and gets away with it.
    I agree with this post entirely. It's about the principle of promising a certain card/player is going to be in your product to help sell said product. People buy the product for a chance to pull these cards, and the chance to pull the cards adds value to the product (i.e., if Harper were not in this product, it likely would have sold for ~10%-30% less). Topps sells out, then basically changes the checklist after the fact. If that's not a bait and switch, I don't know what is.


    I'm not sure this particular claim will change the card world, but it's definitely a nice start. It's also great that [MENTION=7824]NeedChapmans[/MENTION] is making it very public on the bigger collecting message boards so people are aware. Good luck to you.


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    I can't believe there are so many Topps apologists here.

    "Well they offered him a case...."

    So what?

    They advertised a Harper Orange Refractor Auto, which he pulled, and they cannot/are not going to fulfill their obligation to give the card to him.

    The Harper is way more desired than a case of Jumbo, which will more than likely yield more redemptions and crap autos.

    How they are able to get away with this is beyond me. Wait, I do know, it's because the sheep keep buying everything they offer and do nothing every time they get screwed over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPC View Post
    I can't believe there are so many Topps apologists here.

    "Well they offered him a case...."

    So what?

    They advertised a Harper Orange Refractor Auto, which he pulled, and they cannot/are not going to fulfill their obligation to give the card to him.

    The Harper is way more desired than a case of Jumbo, which will more than likely yield more redemptions and crap autos.

    How they are able to get away with this is beyond me. Wait, I do know, it's because the sheep keep buying everything they offer and do nothing every time they get screwed over.

    I rather be a realistic sheep who hates redemptions than someone who thinks taking a company to small claims court is some sort of stand against the man. You start babbling like some of these comments online have and they will toss you out of small claims court as none of them has anything to do with the case at point. A judge (small claims one at that) dont give a crap about this, and when presented with that both parties agreed on a value this will be done right there. Cut the check and move on. Meaning topps is out nothing but a check. Thats IF they even show up.

    Are there problems and do they need to be addressed asap YES. But thinking small claims will do anything is a tad juvenile but so be it. But some how that makes me an apologist, I think the word you are looking for is realist. But its ok I forgive.

    And I understand people think this is making a point but lets be real. Its a bunch of stomping, which I hope kicks up some dust. But knowing topps they really couldnt care less.
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    And people don't think that card manufacturers care about the secondary market? This is from Panini's sell sheet from 2013-14 Prizm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopster3977 View Post
    And people don't think that card manufacturers care about the secondary market? This is from Panini's sell sheet from 2013-14 Prizm:

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    I dont think anyone is saying they dont care about the secondary market.....I just think it is good business to not comment on market value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchenrycards View Post
    I dont think anyone is saying they dont care about the secondary market.....I just think it is good business to not comment on market value.
    It's been brought up before by people saying they were told that topps does not recognize secondary market value. By the reps themselves no less. It seems topps does care when it suits them to do so.
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    They offered you product worth $1000
    You're suing for the $1000

    That's silly and convoluted. You have a fair offer and have made a decision to put your cape and skivvies on to save the hobby. The way you save the hobby isn't grandstanding and going all martyr. It's by putting your money in something else.

    I hear leaf makes a redemption free product.
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    most likely Topps will not even know about this case. Topps (much like a lot of big businesses) has people who deal in these things. Its there job. The CEO and so forth with never even know any of this will happen. People talk of Topps like it is a one thing where Topps is a HUGE companie with thousands of people working in many departments and areas. And yes they have a legal team that deals with this stuff every day. So most likely the owner of Topps or even the big wigs will not even hear about this... Sad I know....they will most likely settle and not even go anywhere and forget about it the next day. To Topps they just don't care enough....
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    Quote Originally Posted by notjomommasclint View Post
    They offered you product worth $1000
    You're suing for the $1000

    That's silly and convoluted. You have a fair offer and have made a decision to put your cape and skivvies on to save the hobby. The way you save the hobby isn't grandstanding and going all martyr. It's by putting your money in something else.

    I hear leaf makes a redemption free product.
    Well, I would argue that the case of Bowman Jumbo is not worth $1,000 and even if you disagree to that, I redeemed one high end Harper and feel I am due one (or a few) high end cards as a replacement. If you think trading my one card for 3,072 of them is fair, then please let me know what high end cards you have and I will gladly trade you thousands and thousands of 2012 Bowman Chrome and Draft prospects for them (of equal or greater value).

    Quote Originally Posted by bongo870 View Post
    most likely Topps will not even know about this case. Topps (much like a lot of big businesses) has people who deal in these things. Its there job. The CEO and so forth with never even know any of this will happen. People talk of Topps like it is a one thing where Topps is a HUGE companie with thousands of people working in many departments and areas. And yes they have a legal team that deals with this stuff every day. So most likely the owner of Topps or even the big wigs will not even hear about this... Sad I know....they will most likely settle and not even go anywhere and forget about it the next day. To Topps they just don't care enough....
    I've emailed the CEO, COO and General Legal counsel of Topps regularly thoughout this process. They were copied in on all communications to and from me during the negotiation stage (that lasted 7 months), so they are very aware of the situation and the claim. Just two days ago, Topps customer service deferred me to their legal counsel because they say they can no longer try and fill this replacement as it is a legal matter (a voicemail to their general counsel was not returned).

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