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    [MENTION=4428]MrMet[/MENTION], that was so good I'm going to have to post it to my facebook page. Thanks for the chuckle.
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    If I'm ever in a room alone with Channing Tatum there wood, be some 2 hand ass grabbing tight lip locking deep tounging going on.
    And I really hope he came out of a cake in his birthday suit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshHamilton View Post
    It depends on how good dinner tastes
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoteForFoles View Post
    If they know, they know- you know?

    They drafted a gay man. They knew he was gay before they drafted him. And you think them seeing him kiss a man will make them regret drafting him. Stupid logic.
    This thread wasnt started out of concern for the rams and what they got themselves in or anything to do with anything other than the OP wanting to get some venom out about people and their lifestyles. He then wanted to chalk it up to being a good christian even though his posts over time paint a different picture.

    I'm glad others were exposed to his ability to make you shake your head and hope people like him are a small blip on the radar screen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Card Magnet View Post
    You're twisting the words I did say and making up others I did not. You really went the distance to turn me into and then call me out as Hitler or and a Klan member.

    Getting rid of a mindset of prejudice/bigotry does not equate to genocide. You battle those through education and normalization. I never suggested that bigots should be killed.

    There is also a strong difference between me having a problem with views that oppress and discriminate others based on how they were born and being anti-Jewish (or any other adopted belief system) that a person holds dear and does not use to harm and/or put down others.

    I would also like to get rid of minds that create drama like yours, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm suggesting a bullet between your eyes.
    Twisting your words? I think not. I may have taken it to the extreme but your words "Get rid of Christians" are pretty powerful. That statement alone conjurs up thoughts of extermination or elimination of the religion itself and those who believe, regardless of this being your actual meaning or not. My point was that your words were prtty powerful and I would have rather you used words like you did in the post I quoted to explain your position rather than state you want to "get rid of Christians" in the sense that you did.

    As for minds that create drama like mine....I take exception with that as well as my post had no drama in it at all. I was simply pointing out your point of view, as originally stated could be equated with the position other hate groups have used previously. I mean, lets admit it...the words ""Second, I don't want to get rid of Christians. I want to get rid of prejudiced persons like yourself." doesnt exactly provoke warm and friendly thoughts for those who do happen to be Christian. I certainly hope you would never write that you wanted to get rid of all Jews or get rid of all Muslims........

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    Quote Originally Posted by mchenrycards View Post
    Twisting your words? I think not. I may have taken it to the extreme but your words "Get rid of Christians" are pretty powerful. That statement alone conjurs up thoughts of extermination or elimination of the religion itself and those who believe, regardless of this being your actual meaning or not. My point was that your words were prtty powerful and I would have rather you used words like you did in the post I quoted to explain your position rather than state you want to "get rid of Christians" in the sense that you did.

    As for minds that create drama like mine....I take exception with that as well as my post had no drama in it at all. I was simply pointing out your point of view, as originally stated could be equated with the position other hate groups have used previously. I mean, lets admit it...the words ""Second, I don't want to get rid of Christians. I want to get rid of prejudiced persons like yourself." doesnt exactly provoke warm and friendly thoughts for those who do happen to be Christian. I certainly hope you would never write that you wanted to get rid of all Jews or get rid of all Muslims........
    I kind of want to knock on your head to see if it's hollow. I never said I wanted to get rid of Christians. You, sir or madam, are a moron. Now, where's that "ignore user" button at...

    Oh, for the record : I was raised Christian, my parents are Christian, my brother is Christian, my sister-in-law is Christian, my niece is Christian, my grandparents of both sides were Christian through their dying days, many of my good friends are Christian, my "neighbor" is a Christian church, I often work for or serving Christians at events or in their church, and so on and so forth.

    So yeah, I'm definitely looking to fulfill a genocide of the Christian faithful, including myself. Let's make them deader than your brain cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Card Magnet View Post
    I kind of want to knock on your head to see if it's hollow. I never said I wanted to get rid of Christians. You, sir or madam, are a moron. Now, where's that "ignore user" button at...

    Oh, for the record : I was raised Christian, my parents are Christian, my brother is Christian, my sister-in-law is Christian, my niece is Christian, my grandparents of both sides were Christian through their dying days, many of my good friends are Christian, my "neighbor" is a Christian church, I often work for or serving Christians at events or in their church, and so on and so forth.

    So yeah, I'm definitely looking to fulfill a genocide of the Christian faithful, including myself. Let's make them deader than your brain cells.
    Ahh the ole' I got friends who are (fill in the blank...black, Jewish, gay, lesbian etc) defense!!

    Let me ask you this simple question.....reading your post...NOT taken out of context you said ""Second, I don't want to get rid of Christians. I want to get rid of prejudiced persons like yourself." What would the average person think your meaning to be?

    Yeah, I am taking this to the extreme.......I am sure you are not looking to eliminate all Christians.......but remember, even a prejudice person (of which I am not....and have never made a comment to even make anyone think I am) has a right to their own opinion and not have someone "want to get rid of them". Thats all I am saying.

    If you are ever at the Chicago area shows you can knock on my head and see if it hollow but just be prepared to be knocked on back! Now go ahead and ignore me my good man!! Buh....bye!

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    Chris long is ok with the kiss..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMet View Post
    That is pretty damn funny.
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    These type of debates happen far more often than they should. Michael Sam kissing his significant other on the happiest day of his life shouldn't be an issue regardless of his sexual orientation. That being said, the media makes it a spectacle. Regardless of your religious views, or your opinions on homosexuality, it is safe to say that homosexuality is not going anywhere, and no one should have to repress their true feelings. However, on the other side of things, there are going to be people that feel uncomfortable about it. The focus should be on his ability to play football, not about his sexual preference. I think it took extreme courage for Michael Sam to come out of the closet, and think it's great for our society as a whole; at the same time I understand the fact that the idea makes some people feel uncomfortable. Do I think it's fair to call them bigots for feeling that way? Personally I do not. The LGBT community has made strides in the right direction to ensure their civil rights, which I think is a great thing; but I have an issue when people are outraged that people feel uncomfortable about it. Not everyone is going to be in agreement. I feel that you are born how you are born and no one should be in a position to judge, but I can definitely understand that people feel differently. Personally I feel like everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and if you disagree that's fine; but to make general statements about an entire religious group based off an individual opinion is a little bit ignorant. None of us are NFL players. I have no idea what it's like to be in an NFL locker room. Look at the John Martin situation, there's a lot more that goes into that stuff than people think. Someone can be extremely tolerant but still feel slightly uncomfortable. I don't think being uncomfortable with the idea makes someone a bad person.

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    Here's a Michael Sam supporter who also disagrees with his approach to the NFL. He's free to choose his own path, but he should be ready to not make the team if the media hordes and reality show cameras following him around become too much of a distraction for his teammates and the organization.


    https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...ing-roster-nfl
    But Sam has to play in the NFL to be an effective role model and pioneer. He has to fit into a locker room environment before he can transform that environment.
    He is simply not a good enough football player to travel with Oprah's circus and the NFL's. He needs to choose one. He's a seventh-round draft pick who ran a 4.91-second 40-yard dash at the combine. He's a special-teams player.
    Sam's handlers have misinterpreted the comparisons between Sam and Jackie Robinson. No. 42 had Hall of Fame talent from day one. No one questioned his skill. His teammates could not deny his obvious ability to excel in the majors and help the Dodgers win.
    I know the meme: Sam was SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a first-team All-American. Of course he can play in the NFL.
    Well, Jackson Jeffcoat, son of former NFL defensive lineman Jim Jeffcoat, was Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and a consensus All-American at defensive end. He was a five-star recruit coming out of high school. Jeffcoat did not get drafted and signed a free-agent contract with Seattle.
    I believe Michael Sam can play in the NFL. I've written that, and stand by those words. His approach to making a roster is wrong. The NFL unemployment line is littered with guys who had enough talent to play but brought the wrong attitude. In terms of approach, Sam reminds me of Vince Young, the Texas quarterback who came to the league with the wrong handlers in his ear and washed out at a young age.
    Sam reported to the combine out of shape and embarrassed himself. He launched a website that is a merchandise store. He complained about being drafted too low. And now he's signing up for a reality show focused on his personal life and professional journey.
    He's a seventh-round pick. This is preposterous. I support Michael Sam and the movement he represents. However, if I were Rams coach Jeff Fisher, I'd consider cutting $am today. He's a marginal player with questionable focus on the game.
    Michael $am thinks he's Jadeveon Clowney, a freakish defensive end with questionable passion for the game. Clowney could get away with a reality TV show, a merchandise store and scripted draft-day love scenes. Clowney's upside is so enormous that coaches and teammates will tolerate his diva tendencies the same way coaches and players tolerated Randy Moss for years.
    This thing with Sam is playing out so bizarrely that I now wonder whether his handlers/manipulators totally misread his talent and the NFL. It appears they read "SEC Defensive Player of the Year" and assumed that meant "the next Lawrence Taylor." They're likely baffled that Clowney could play in the same conference as Sam, post inferior stats and be the toast of the NFL draft while Sam is a few picks from Mr. Irrelevant.
    Michael $am is not the right play for the LGBT movement. Michael Sam would uplift the cause and set the table for a gay superstar football player.

    Michael $am will be run out of the NFL quicker than Tim Tebow, another celebrity brand whose talent did not justify the circus that followed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel View Post
    Here's a Michael Sam supporter who also disagrees with his approach to the NFL. He's free to choose his own path, but he should be ready to not make the team if the media hordes and reality show cameras following him around become too much of a distraction for his teammates and the organization.


    https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...ing-roster-nfl
    But Sam has to play in the NFL to be an effective role model and pioneer. He has to fit into a locker room environment before he can transform that environment.
    He is simply not a good enough football player to travel with Oprah's circus and the NFL's. He needs to choose one. He's a seventh-round draft pick who ran a 4.91-second 40-yard dash at the combine. He's a special-teams player.
    Sam's handlers have misinterpreted the comparisons between Sam and Jackie Robinson. No. 42 had Hall of Fame talent from day one. No one questioned his skill. His teammates could not deny his obvious ability to excel in the majors and help the Dodgers win.
    I know the meme: Sam was SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a first-team All-American. Of course he can play in the NFL.
    Well, Jackson Jeffcoat, son of former NFL defensive lineman Jim Jeffcoat, was Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and a consensus All-American at defensive end. He was a five-star recruit coming out of high school. Jeffcoat did not get drafted and signed a free-agent contract with Seattle.
    I believe Michael Sam can play in the NFL. I've written that, and stand by those words. His approach to making a roster is wrong. The NFL unemployment line is littered with guys who had enough talent to play but brought the wrong attitude. In terms of approach, Sam reminds me of Vince Young, the Texas quarterback who came to the league with the wrong handlers in his ear and washed out at a young age.
    Sam reported to the combine out of shape and embarrassed himself. He launched a website that is a merchandise store. He complained about being drafted too low. And now he's signing up for a reality show focused on his personal life and professional journey.
    He's a seventh-round pick. This is preposterous. I support Michael Sam and the movement he represents. However, if I were Rams coach Jeff Fisher, I'd consider cutting $am today. He's a marginal player with questionable focus on the game.
    Michael $am thinks he's Jadeveon Clowney, a freakish defensive end with questionable passion for the game. Clowney could get away with a reality TV show, a merchandise store and scripted draft-day love scenes. Clowney's upside is so enormous that coaches and teammates will tolerate his diva tendencies the same way coaches and players tolerated Randy Moss for years.
    This thing with Sam is playing out so bizarrely that I now wonder whether his handlers/manipulators totally misread his talent and the NFL. It appears they read "SEC Defensive Player of the Year" and assumed that meant "the next Lawrence Taylor." They're likely baffled that Clowney could play in the same conference as Sam, post inferior stats and be the toast of the NFL draft while Sam is a few picks from Mr. Irrelevant.
    Michael $am is not the right play for the LGBT movement. Michael Sam would uplift the cause and set the table for a gay superstar football player.

    Michael $am will be run out of the NFL quicker than Tim Tebow, another celebrity brand whose talent did not justify the circus that followed him.
    This is an article I agree with 100%. If he washes out after 1 season and the pundits have his scripted draft-day love scene and reality show to point to, will his having been drafted be viewed as a positive for the LGBT movement? Only time will tell but it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel View Post
    Here's a Michael Sam supporter who also disagrees with his approach to the NFL. He's free to choose his own path, but he should be ready to not make the team if the media hordes and reality show cameras following him around become too much of a distraction for his teammates and the organization.


    https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10...ing-roster-nfl
    But Sam has to play in the NFL to be an effective role model and pioneer. He has to fit into a locker room environment before he can transform that environment.
    He is simply not a good enough football player to travel with Oprah's circus and the NFL's. He needs to choose one. He's a seventh-round draft pick who ran a 4.91-second 40-yard dash at the combine. He's a special-teams player.
    Sam's handlers have misinterpreted the comparisons between Sam and Jackie Robinson. No. 42 had Hall of Fame talent from day one. No one questioned his skill. His teammates could not deny his obvious ability to excel in the majors and help the Dodgers win.
    I know the meme: Sam was SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a first-team All-American. Of course he can play in the NFL.
    Well, Jackson Jeffcoat, son of former NFL defensive lineman Jim Jeffcoat, was Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and a consensus All-American at defensive end. He was a five-star recruit coming out of high school. Jeffcoat did not get drafted and signed a free-agent contract with Seattle.
    I believe Michael Sam can play in the NFL. I've written that, and stand by those words. His approach to making a roster is wrong. The NFL unemployment line is littered with guys who had enough talent to play but brought the wrong attitude. In terms of approach, Sam reminds me of Vince Young, the Texas quarterback who came to the league with the wrong handlers in his ear and washed out at a young age.
    Sam reported to the combine out of shape and embarrassed himself. He launched a website that is a merchandise store. He complained about being drafted too low. And now he's signing up for a reality show focused on his personal life and professional journey.
    He's a seventh-round pick. This is preposterous. I support Michael Sam and the movement he represents. However, if I were Rams coach Jeff Fisher, I'd consider cutting $am today. He's a marginal player with questionable focus on the game.
    Michael $am thinks he's Jadeveon Clowney, a freakish defensive end with questionable passion for the game. Clowney could get away with a reality TV show, a merchandise store and scripted draft-day love scenes. Clowney's upside is so enormous that coaches and teammates will tolerate his diva tendencies the same way coaches and players tolerated Randy Moss for years.
    This thing with Sam is playing out so bizarrely that I now wonder whether his handlers/manipulators totally misread his talent and the NFL. It appears they read "SEC Defensive Player of the Year" and assumed that meant "the next Lawrence Taylor." They're likely baffled that Clowney could play in the same conference as Sam, post inferior stats and be the toast of the NFL draft while Sam is a few picks from Mr. Irrelevant.
    Michael $am is not the right play for the LGBT movement. Michael Sam would uplift the cause and set the table for a gay superstar football player.

    Michael $am will be run out of the NFL quicker than Tim Tebow, another celebrity brand whose talent did not justify the circus that followed him.
    So now its your concern for his priorities? That wasnt your issue, the title of your thread was yous issue. you've backtracked and then slid forward so many times. If michael Sam doesnt make the NFL it will be because he wasnt good enough to but thats not the intent of your problem as you've clearly stated.

    Own your issue that he's a sinner stop trying the use of colored bubbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyfan0417 View Post
    So now its your concern for his priorities? That wasnt your issue, the title of your thread was yous issue. you've backtracked and then slid forward so many times. If michael Sam doesnt make the NFL it will be because he wasnt good enough to but thats not the intent of your problem as you've clearly stated.

    Own your issue that he's a sinner stop trying the use of colored bubbles.
    Let me remind you of the initial post. This article about his approach to making the team is exactly what I wanted to discuss before others took it in a different direction.

    You'd think he'd want to keep a low profile and try to fit in with his new team, not flaunt his differences and put his homosexuality front and center with his teammates, the league and NFL fans. I understand that he wants to be himself, but I wonder if the are thinking twice about drafting him now after that kiss. The media scrutiny and distractions are only going to get worse as the media gets ready to pounce on the next thing that happens with the Sam situation.
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