Non serial numbered replacements. Do you collect them? Why do they grade them?

It's about time we got some confirmation about there being a serial #ed and non-serial #ed versions of these. I had a feeling there were copies of both since the only person selling the non-serial #ed copies is bristolcollectibles.

There is a similar issue with the 1998 Pinnacle Performers Big Bang Seasonal Outburst parallels. Lots of non-serial numbered cards floating out there. I saw a Ripken at the last Baltimore National that should be serial numbered (to 17, I believe) and the dealer was asking $300 on it.

In the early 2000s I was a member of PSA and I had a Topps Gold Label wrong name error that PSA would not grade unless I had proof that there were more of these errors or if Topps would confirm that they made these errors. I eventually found an article that talked about the errors and I got PSA to grade the card. I am sure over time they might have loosened there policy or do they just grade anything? Has anyone contacted this seller to see where these came from. He has some big players at big prices. Someone has to know something.

Yanks2151 said:

In the early 2000s I was a member of PSA and I had a Topps Gold Label wrong name error that PSA would not grade unless I had proof that there were more of these errors or if Topps would confirm that they made these errors. I eventually found an article that talked about the errors and I got PSA to grade the card. I am sure over time they might have loosened there policy or do they just grade anything? Has anyone contacted this seller to see where these came from. He has some big players at big prices. Someone has to know something.

Click to expand...

Every single non serial #ed versions of cards from this set have been from the same seller. I'd like more info. about this as well now that we know there are serial #ed and non-serial #ed copies of the same card.

Do I collect , yes . Do I think they should be graded, yes. Do I think they should have them labeled as "missing serial number" , yes


Ryan

RStadlerASU22 said:

Do I collect , yes . Do I think they should be graded, yes. Do I think they should have them labeled as "missing serial number" , yes


Ryan

Click to expand...

Ryan, I agree with with your opinion. Labeling it as "missing serial number" would make more sense. They have titled it as "parallel" and in reality it's not a packed pulled parallel. The one offered on eBay is priced for around what I paid for the real 1/1. I can understand replacements for cards made for more than one copy but having a replacement for a 1/1 card seems weird to me. What's the chances these cards need replacing. If it actually is a replacement card it technically should be the only one made with a missing serial number.

Yanks2151 said:

Ryan, I agree with with your opinion. Labeling it as "missing serial number" would make more sense. They have titled it as "parallel" and in reality it's not a packed pulled parallel. The one offered on eBay is priced for around what I paid for the real 1/1. I can understand replacements for cards made for more than one copy but having a replacement for a 1/1 card seems weird to me. What's the chances these cards need replacing. If it actually is a replacement card it technically should be the only one made with a missing serial number.

Click to expand...

Technically yes , but I know for example Classic Clippings Final Edition were printed in bigger quantities
Ryan

I know I am beating a dead horse here but I noticed the seller has one of these graded by Beckett as well. It is actually labeled parallel 1 of 1 missing serial number. I don't get it.

Saw the RJ in my daily 1/1 search & came over to see what everyone knew about these. PSA not labeling these replacements is very iffy to me. I will not be laying out $150 for this /2+ card now that I have more info.

I collect the Dawson's, haven't seen one graded yet.

I won't touch anything that is backdoored like this, unless it looked EXACTLY like the real version. No 1/1 stamp, then it's not the real version, and I'm not interested.

Which really sucks, because it's highly unlikely I'll ever see the real versions of these cards. These are just crappy teases.

I get them if the price is right. Think there cool JMO


Sent from my iPhone using Freedom Card Board mobile app

joey12508 said:

I get them if the price is right. Think there cool JMO


Sent from my iPhone using Freedom Card Board mobile app

Click to expand...

Agreed, and that's what I meant to mention - I'd totally pick one up if it was $10, even $20. But $150? Not unless it's real.

nkdbacks said:

Agreed, and that's what I meant to mention - I'd totally pick one up if it was $10, even $20. But $150? Not unless it's real.

Click to expand...

I wouldn't even pay 400 for the real 1/1 Henderson, never mind this backdoored crap being pawned off by Bristol

PSA doesn't usually put numbers on the flips, whether it's 1/1 or 1/100 or whatever. They seem to be doing that now for 1/1s, but it's inconsistent. They didn't put 1/1 on the O'Neill at the very least because it's not labeled 1/1 and it apparently isn't a 1/1, exactly, anyway. Beckett, I think, has always put the /# on their flips.

PSA would grade them for the same reason they grade anything else, to make money. They can't make a distinction between cards that are back-doored or legitimate replacements. That info simply is not known for sure. And in fact, certain backdoor cases add to the cache of a card (see the various 1998 Select cards).

I have 1 or 2 Sizemore unnumbered copies. TNT was selling some 2009 (?) Topps Chromes unnumbered parallels, like the Supers and Reds in the past year and I got the super. I already had the real one, but it just seemed like a good idea to grab the other one. I don't grade PC cards,