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  • I think fakes are rampant! You can't hardly trust any game used card out there.

    17 48.57%
  • I'm ok w/it not being game worn, as long as the player wore it at some point, no matter how short.

    5 14.29%
  • I'm ok w/it not being worn by the player pictured, as long as it was worn in a game.

    0 0%
  • I think most everything is legit. Most card relics are used in a real game by player depicted.

    8 22.86%
  • I simply don't care. They are cool cards!

    5 14.29%
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Thread: How many do you think that game used swatches are not real?

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    First of all all, let me say that I own hundreds of of these supposed GU cards of Cal Ripken Jr. IMHO, there is no way they are all "REAL" game used. Imagine the syeps the companies have to go through before this little pieces of cloth gets to the little windows of the card.

    1. Card company representative buys the Jersey.
    - Where does he take it? His home? Office? He don't own the card company, he just work there and I'm sure ALL of them are
    110% honest.
    - He just spent 10K (or more) on 10 "GU JERSEYS". Does the card company provide him a safe to store these jerseys. Who gets
    possession of these jerseys next? Let's bypass everyone and say he delivers the jerseys to the person responsible for cutting
    them.
    2. The man in charge of cutting the materials gets the jerseys.
    - How many different players' jerseys does he get? 1 player, no problem. Cut, bag and tag - Done. Then someone comes and
    pick it up or he delivers it to who? He just got done cutting up 10K worth of materials, they're not just going to leave it laying
    around, would they? Let's bypass the steps and continue to....
    3. The person in charge of placing this little pieces of materials into the cards. If done by machine, "someone" still need to load/unload
    the machines. All tis person have to go by is the "tag" on the bag. The tag says Cal Ripken Jr so IT MUST BE Cal Ripken Jr.
    - Is this person doing one player at a time or multiple players at one time. As I stated above, even if card companies are using
    machines to do this, there is a person working in this area.

    With these three little steps and only three people (I'm 100% sure there are other steps and more people) involved, how much
    security is involved? How many of the people involved are collectors and how many of them know the value of these jerseys? At some point of this process, someone making (let's be generous) $20 per hour have his hand on these items and say..... Hmmmmm, I make $160 a day minus taxes, and they want me to deliver 10K worth of jersey. I think I'll hurry and be on my way so I can come back and deliver more....Sure, they are ALL 100% honest, all of the people mentioned above.

    Even if the jersey was really game used at the beginning, it becomes "questionable" at best by the time you open that pack and say "Yippeeeee, I got me a real nice 2 colors patch card" and it's serial numbered to 10 too". Then you pull the same patch card, serial numbered to 100 and this one is 5 colors and of course looks better that the 10, and then you ask yourself thinking out loud, "who's the idiot that did this? Man or machine?

    I can type all day about my opinion on this but at the end of the day, it's the collector's choice. Buy or not buy. Personally, I buy the CARDS because I need/want it in my PC. I really don't care who/where the cloth came from. The piece of cloth are just bonus (I guess) and more colorful, the better they look in my binders...

    Sorry for the long rant but it makes sense to me....
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    Yeah, we didn't even delve into the nightmare that is the manufacturing process. The OP pretty much made me think the question is just about the item actually coming from a player that wore the item in a game. Once you get to the manufacturing process, there is a whole other issue about jersey pieces being switched with different players, or whether anyone is sneaking them out the backdoor, etc.

    The sad part is....you may think you have a real gu Cal Ripken Jr. card when it's really a fake Adam Jones GU jersey piece in your Cal Ripken Jr. card. But like I said, it's probably a see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil thing. And the loose wording on the card backs helps with relieving them of liability. I'm sure the companies want you to get a gu jersey card. A real one. And they won't intentionally do anything to derail that. They just aren't going to do anything special to ensure it though either.

    Main thing, like was said, buy the cards knowing that you are taking a chance. Keep in mind there are a lot of people who will outbid or outspend you simply because they are still buying under the impression these are 100% legit. And know that you might have to fight these bidders or collectors to win these cards at prices that might be higher than you might want to pay considering their fishy nature. If you're ok with that, then bid away.
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    I think a lot of the jeresys that topps and panini cut up on good faith as game used aren't game used.


    In fact I know that to be true due to the Steve Jensen and Bradley Wells thing.

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    I'm like some of the others that said they don't go out of their way to obtain them. I used to think differently, but slowly realizing how shady the whole memorabilia market is coupled with how shady Topps/UD are, coupled with how poor the quality control is makes you really think differently.

    I wonder if in about 10 more years if we'll look back on this relic boom era in similar fashion that we look at the junk card era. I can see prices fall on the relic side of cards and stuff that costs a lot now will be able to be had for next to nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgilmo View Post
    I think a lot of the jeresys that topps and panini cut up on good faith as game used aren't game used.


    In fact I know that to be true due to the Steve Jensen and Bradley Wells thing.

    ? Care to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious...
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    Most if not all are fake
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    I wouldn't even say most
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    Quote Originally Posted by caster513 View Post
    Here ya go.

    https://www.cardboardconnection.com/c...-fbi-interview



    "WELLS was asked if the card companies knew that what he was selling to them was not game used. WELLS said that the card companies were too smart to put their beliefs in writing but they knew a lot of what they were buying from resellers like WELLS was not game used. WELLS recalled a conversation he had with UPPER DECK buyer MIKE O'GRADY at the Anaheim, California National Sports Collectors Convention approximately three years ago. During the conversation, O'GRADY told WELLS that UPPER DECK needed eight DEREK JETER jerseys and they were willing to pay between $1,000 and $1,200 each. WELLS told O'GRADY that he was paying between $3,500 and $5,000 for JETER jerseys from STEINER SPORTS and STEINER SPORTS obtained their JETER jerseys directly from the New York Yankees. WELLS told O'GRADY that by only paying $1,200 for JETER jerseys, UPPER DECK was inviting fraud. O'GRADY said that UPPER DECK knew what they were getting, but they needed the JETER jerseys at the minimum price."

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    What a crock. I freaking hate Upper Deck. I feel they did as much to ruin the hobby as the other greedy companies that started producing millions and millions of cards in the '80's and early '90's. Oh well. Those were some fun days anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkeys View Post
    What a crock. I freaking hate Upper Deck. I feel they did as much to ruin the hobby as the other greedy companies that started producing millions and millions of cards in the '80's and early '90's. Oh well. Those were some fun days anyway!

    i could be wrong but i believe that what was reported on that one dude was just taking the word of a crook/liar, so take it with a grain of salt
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouschi View Post
    i could be wrong but i believe that what was reported on that one dude was just taking the word of a crook/liar, so take it with a grain of salt
    Well when Upper Deck is buying Jeter jersey's for $1,000 they are inviting fraud. Sure take the guys word with a grain of salt but these companies are without a doubt putting out bogus cards and they know it.
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    Personally I hate bat cards. But Jerseys. If it is a player i like or fron a team I like i dont care i will still want it...
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