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    Quote Originally Posted by homerun28aa View Post
    Interesting, never heard of someone from this this perspective before. Who do you got ahead of him in terms of all-time greats as a catcher in terms of offensive production? I know defensively Piazza was certainly not a HOF defensive catcher but I don't think it's something that will knock him at all in terms of the voting.
    If you want to look at just offensive production, then I would place him up there. The questions about his performance have to do with PED use and why I think he does not get voted in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCTYSON View Post
    If you want to look at just offensive production, then I would place him up there. The questions about his performance have to do with PED use and why I think he does not get voted in.
    Is there anything credible regarding this? There are completely unsubstantiated rumors regarding Piazza's PED use, similar to Griffey Jr where the rumors are not substantiated by any positive tests whatsoever. I guess we'll have to see if that knocks him on the ballot but I think one would hope that the simple fact that he played during the "steroid era" does not hurt his chances. We'll have to see..

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    Quote Originally Posted by homerun28aa View Post
    Is there anything credible regarding this? There are completely unsubstantiated rumors regarding Piazza's PED use, similar to Griffey Jr where the rumors are not substantiated by any positive tests whatsoever. I guess we'll have to see if that knocks him on the ballot but I think one would hope that the simple fact that he played during the "steroid era" does not hurt his chances. We'll have to see..
    https://www.metstoday.com/8374/12-13-...mits-peds-use/
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    I think Johnson, Martinez, Smoltz all cruise in; Biggio will finish in the 77% range and squeak in. I think Piazza will have to wait until his 4th try next year.

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    Did you read his actual autobiography? He denies it in his book...these reports were circulating everywhere and were proven false once his book came out because he denied PED use in the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homerun28aa View Post
    Did you read his actual autobiography? He denies it in his book...these reports were circulating everywhere and were proven false once his book came out because he denied PED use in the book.
    No interest in reading the book. Here is a breakdown of excerpts:

    He admits to using androstenedione as part of a supplement pack until the outcry over Mark McGwire’s use of it forced him to “phase it out.” Baseball later banned the substance.

    He also writes that he briefly experimented with amphetamines until they were banned in 2006. And he describes hearing about human growth hormone, doing some research and asking the Mets’ former trainer, Fred Hina, if teams would start distributing it, unaware that it was a banned substance. According to the book, Hina said he would look into it and a day or two later told Piazza it was not a good idea.
    "...it just sounded to me like he felt like he did not do it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCTYSON View Post
    No interest in reading the book. Here is a breakdown of excerpts:

    He admits to using androstenedione as part of a supplement pack until the outcry over Mark McGwire’s use of it forced him to “phase it out.” Baseball later banned the substance.

    He also writes that he briefly experimented with amphetamines until they were banned in 2006. And he describes hearing about human growth hormone, doing some research and asking the Mets’ former trainer, Fred Hina, if teams would start distributing it, unaware that it was a banned substance. According to the book, Hina said he would look into it and a day or two later told Piazza it was not a good idea.
    Right, are those from the article or from the book itself? Because in the book itself he completely denies using any PEDs. So those articles out there (there are multiple) that said he was going to admit using PEDs were completely wrong, not sure of their sources but when his book came out he completely denied it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homerun28aa View Post
    Right, are those from the article or from the book itself? Because in the book itself he completely denies using any PEDs. So those articles out there (there are multiple) that said he was going to admit using PEDs were completely wrong, not sure of their sources but when his book came out he completely denied it.
    The above is post his book.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/sp...pagewanted=all
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCTYSON View Post
    Again, in the book itself you hear it straight from the horse's mouth not from secondary sources. People will believe what they want to believe; he was most likely the greatest hitting catcher of all-time in an era where everyone and their mother was using steroids. I'm of the opinion that suspicion has no place in the HOF voting criteria because then you call into question a body of work that these guys sacrificed their lives for. If he's tested positive, throw the book at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homerun28aa View Post
    Again, in the book itself you hear it straight from the horse's mouth not from secondary sources. People will believe what they want to believe; he was most likely the greatest hitting catcher of all-time in an era where everyone and their mother was using steroids. I'm of the opinion that suspicion has no place in the HOF voting criteria because then you call into question a body of work that these guys sacrificed their lives for. If he's tested positive, throw the book at him.
    Are you missing his own admission of using Andro? Just because Piazza does not see that as steroid or PED usage, does not make it so. Not sure what to make of the 'sacrificed their lives,' comment and what exactly you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCTYSON View Post
    Are you missing his own admission of using Andro? Just because Piazza does not see that as steroid or PED usage, does not make it so. Not sure what to make of the 'sacrificed their lives,' comment and what exactly you mean.
    No I'm not, it was banned in 2004 - he did not use it after it became banned. He did not use a banned substance during his career, if the substances subsequently became banned and he stopped using them, I honestly don't understand the argument to use that as a knock against him.

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    Here are mine:

    1. Randy Johnson - Top 4 Greatest Pitcher of All Time
    2. Barry Bonds - Steroids or not, All-Time AND Single-Season HR King
    3. Mark McGwire - Growth Hormones also brought baseball back from the slums
    4. Pedro Martinez - Dominant Pitcher for 10+ Years
    5. Mike Piazza - Best Offensive Producing Catcher of All Times... HOF #s even if he was a 1Bman.



    Quote Originally Posted by markakis8 View Post
    Very loaded this year. I really hope 4 or 5 guys make it because it's the first time in my life I truly feel like 10 players could be justified in making the HOF. There were quite a few dull years in the HOF voting process.

    I've taken guilty steroid players into account but since I can't vote for everyone, they are considered last. I would love to see Big Mac and Bonds in the HOF some day b/c I think they are huge part of baseball history in an era where 95% of players were juicing. They were the best of that era.

    Anyway, here is my ballot in order of who I think deserves it more. My first 8 picks I think should be locks, but they aren't.

    1. Randy Johnson
    2. Pedro Martinez
    3. Mike Piazza
    4. John Smoltz
    5. Curt Schilling
    6. Mike Mussina
    7. Jeff Bagwell
    8. Craig Biggio
    9. Barry Bonds
    10. Mark McGwire

    I think 5 get in this year. I really do. I see Unit, Pedro, Smoltz as locks and Biggio and Piazza squeaking in.

    What would your ballot look like and who do you THINK gets in?

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    If Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens aren't in the hall it's pointless.
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    Ridiculous to call biggio a compiler since he played a typical amount of years for a hall of famer AND was productive until his last season.

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    My vote:
    1. Pedro Martinez
    2. Randy Johnson
    3. Roger Clemens
    4. Barry Bonds
    5. Mike Piazza
    6. Jeff Bagwell
    7. Craig Biggio
    8. Curt Schilling
    9. John Smoltz
    10. Nomar Garciaparra

    Yeah, I get that a lot of people would hate the Nomar vote, but the guy was one of my favorite players growing up and his seasons from 1997 through 2003 were terrific. I know he won't get in, and may not even get 5%, but I would throw one vote for him.

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