Well...this is something I've never seen before...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Cards-/212/...1&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&_ssn=collectingjuneau

Number one, of course the prices are egregious. But number two, it looks like this guy has some total obvious fakes mixed in with some potential one of a kind items from what I can see? Unless this guy is a total scam artist. I'm also only focusing on the baseball patches I'm not even looking at the other sports.

IMO these are the obvious fakes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Donrus...743?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c97da7a17

1/1? More like 55/80...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Topps-...625?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c983fd2f1

Rarest patch ever? Numbered 5/10. I know Topps can be stupid, but no one would ever put a Robinson like that in a card #/10.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...568?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c982db9e8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...422?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c982db956

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Topps-...280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c982db8c8

Three Munson nameplates, all numbered out of 10. Yeah, seems very plausible. He'll say that one of them is graded but those Topps Sterlings have got to be the easiest cards to fake, I can't tell you how many of those have been faked.

He also has some football and basketball tags that are numbered out of like 50 and 100. His other baseball patches are questionable at best and my gut feeling says fake on almost all of them, but here are two curiosities that made me think that maybe this is just some unsuspecting rich dude:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Donrus...214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c98904316

Could this one be real? It is a 1/1, it's encased and at least from the pictures it doesn't seem like the tape was removed. Though obviously you'd need to examine in person but that looks like it has a decent shot of being genuine just from what you can gather online. The proof would be getting it in hand.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-Prime-...601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4f01f4f9

This is the big oddity. The case looks in not great shape, but I can't see anywhere it's been opened and that certainly looks like the original case from that year. Could the guy have gone the extra mile and a half and somehow manufactured his own case? Sure, but it doesn't fit in with the rest of his pattern because those 3 Munson's are stupidly fake in my opinion. Sorry if there was a post about this already, haven't been on the boards a whole lot this week.

That Gehrig/Ott has made the rounds. I believe it's real.

These look like they are from the same jersey:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Playof...770?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4f6f26c2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Timele...284?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4f6f3094

Shouldn't the Munson look like this?

Stitched to the waistband and not the Pinstriping?


Or is it supposed to be a Jersey?

Someone brought this seller up about 2 weeks ago
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/for...collectingjuneau-!?highlight=collectingjuneau

Found it on page 5

Pine Tar said:

Someone brought this seller up about 2 weeks ago
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/for...collectingjuneau-!?highlight=collectingjuneau

Found it on page 5

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That's funny in that thread no one called him out for being shady, just not someone who budges on prices. Well, he's asking $20K for a blatantly fake patch and $5K for ridiculously fake Munson's so I assume he has some wiggle room this time. If this guy is a co-signer he's utterly ruined his reputation with these listings - I wouldn't touch anything he had for sale ever again unless it was very obviously genuine.

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homerun28aa said:

That's funny in that thread no one called him out for being shady, just not someone who budges on prices. Well, he's asking $20K for a blatantly fake patch and $5K for ridiculously fake Munson's so I assume he has some wiggle room this time. If this guy is a co-signer he's utterly ruined his reputation with these listings - I wouldn't touch anything he had for sale ever again unless it was very obviously genuine.

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I was not complaining, I was merely saying this seller was talked about already. And Adam does say he has some shady stuff, in his post, though he does not call him out. And yes his prices are high, and there are things that look shady too.

Pine Tar said:

I was not complaining, I was merely saying this seller was talked about already. And Adam does say he has some shady stuff, in his post, though he does not call him out. And yes his prices are high, and there are things that look shady too.

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Haha I didn't mean to accuse you of complaining or anything. But I was just kind of wondering out loud how this guy hasn't been on people's radars I mean these are listings for extremely valuable cards that are very clearly fake. Just a really s***y situation if someone buys one of those that's a fairly serious amount of money.

homerun28aa said:

Haha I didn't mean to accuse you of complaining or anything. But I was just kind of wondering out loud how this guy hasn't been on people's radars I mean these are listings for extremely valuable cards that are very clearly fake. Just a really s***y situation if someone buys one of those that's a fairly serious amount of money.

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Agreed. If this guy has been around for awhile, why has there not been more info out on this seller, as well on other boards people saying his stuff is questionable. Because when this was posted earlier this month, I too wonder if this was discussed out on the interwebs. But didn't seem to find much talk.

alexs64 said:

These look like they are from the same jersey:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Playof...770?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4f6f26c2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Timele...284?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4f6f3094

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When theses were originally listed I posted the following thread because of my doubts on those two cards

http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145189

The overall impression I got was a mixed reaction with the warning to be careful with the seller.

Thanks,
Jeff

That Gehrig/Ott dual is not fake - just so that's out there.

Edit: Also, you say the case is not in great shape. Ehhh? Looks pretty good to me, man. Two pics out of a team bag and two pics in a team bag. I see the normal amount of rubbing on the exterior.

I feel like you're going abnormally hard after the Gehrig/Ott dual, when that's the only one in the whole group that is better than 90% real.

homerun28aa said:

That's funny in that thread no one called him out for being shady, just not someone who budges on prices. Well, he's asking $20K for a blatantly fake patch and $5K for ridiculously fake Munson's so I assume he has some wiggle room this time. If this guy is a co-signer he's utterly ruined his reputation with these listings - I wouldn't touch anything he had for sale ever again unless it was very obviously genuine.

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I've spent two weeks researching the cards after he rejected my BOs on both Doerr's even though I offered him more than what I paid for the 1/1s from those series. I've yet to be able to verify they are real or prove them fake. I think that's why no ones called him out yet.

I still really wonder how someone in Alaska of all places would wind up with all these great cards, even if he is a consignor....

Thanks,
Jeff

Doerrcollector said:

I've spent two weeks researching the cards after he rejected my BOs on both Doerr's even though I offered him more than what I paid for the 1/1s from those series. I've yet to be able to verify they are real or prove them fake. I think that's why no ones called him out yet.

I still really wonder how someone in Alaska of all places would wind up with all these great cards, even if he is a consignor....

Thanks,
Jeff

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Derp! I knew you were talking about Collectingjuneau. I don't know how I got diverted to probstein.

I haven't had time to look at WP etc to see if I can find matches and see if i can locate changes , but I tend to think there are quite a few legit items there.

In terms of the Jackie Robinson, what do you feel something labeled as a Patch with a window that size would contain. I'm not saying that's legit or fake , just curious if its labeled as a Patch , what should it look like different than it is prevented ?

**I know it's kind if a dead horse , but imagine the difference a database (images) would have made if the manufactures had invested in one ;(

Ryan

This auction is auctioning off a pair of Gehrig pants, and the slide show has a pic of the tag that is the same as where the one in the card came from:
https://greyflannelauctions.wordpre...ed-1937-lou-gehrig-game-used-pinstripe-pants/

A_Pharis said:

That Gehrig/Ott dual is not fake - just so that's out there.

Edit: Also, you say the case is not in great shape. Ehhh? Looks pretty good to me, man. Two pics out of a team bag and two pics in a team bag. I see the normal amount of rubbing on the exterior.

I feel like you're going abnormally hard after the Gehrig/Ott dual, when that's the only one in the whole group that is better than 90% real.

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I agree with you here. If I saw that Ott/Gehrig from any other seller who did not have those horrendously faked Munson's I'd say real no problem and move on without further scrutiny.

The one thing I would say is take a look at the third picture in the middle, the close up of the tag on the top of the case. Specifically, look at the top of the case and upper right corner - there's A LOT of wear it does look like it was tampered with to some extent. I still feel this one is genuine, but it brings up a curiosity in my mind given his other listings.

Doerrcollector said:

When theses were originally listed I posted the following thread because of my doubts on those two cards

http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145189

The overall impression I got was a mixed reaction with the warning to be careful with the seller.

Thanks,
Jeff

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I'm surprised Tony did not know more about this guy's fakes. Tony is easily the most knowledgeable person I know online when it comes to HOF patches and he didn't seem concerned about this guys items being non-genuine.
I don't think there's any question most of his listings at the moment are fake. Not just a couple, but I mean the huge majority.

homerun28aa said:

I agree with you here. If I saw that Ott/Gehrig from any other seller who did not have those horrendously faked Munson's I'd say real no problem and move on without further scrutiny.

The one thing I would say is take a look at the third picture in the middle, the close up of the tag on the top of the case. Specifically, look at the top of the case and upper right corner - there's A LOT of wear it does look like it was tampered with to some extent. I still feel this one is genuine, but it brings up a curiosity in my mind given his other listings.

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That spot is where one of the latching pieces is, but I've seen these prime cuts encased cads with some wear there that I believe came from the machining process.

And for the Jackie jumbo - here's a Dodger fan site that posted a pic of it from early 2010, when it was still a new product:
http://www.dodgersblueheaven.com/2010/01/more-sterling-jackie-robinsons.html

RStadlerASU22 said:

I haven't had time to look at WP etc to see if I can find matches and see if i can locate changes , but I tend to think there are quite a few legit items there.

In terms of the Jackie Robinson, what do you feel something labeled as a Patch with a window that size would contain. I'm not saying that's legit or fake , just curious if its labeled as a Patch , what should it look like different than it is prevented ?

**I know it's kind if a dead horse , but imagine the difference a database (images) would have made if the manufactures had invested in one ;(

Ryan

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Take a look at this one, 2009 - called a "Patch" as well...I expect that the Robinson was a plain jersey swatch just like the Munson in this link..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thurman-Mun...142?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb447796