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    Shoeless Joe Jackson is now eligible for the Hall of Fame. Pete Rose will be after he dies.

    A new rule means Shoeless Joe Jackson could be on the Hall of Fame's Early Baseball ballot this December.
    Pete Rose would also be eligible after he dies.

    ESPN -- Major League Baseball has shifted its view of deceased players who have been banned for life, a group that includes "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and the seven other Chicago White Sox players prohibited from playing professional baseball in 1921 for fixing the 1919 World Series.

    A senior MLB source told ESPN that a new rule says the league has no hold on banned players after they die because the ineligible list bars players from privileges that include a job with a major league club.

    The change is potentially significant when it comes to the consideration of Jackson's eligibility for the Hall of Fame. He has not been considered for decades despite numerous public and petition-writing campaigns to get him removed from baseball's ineligible list.

    In 1991, the Hall of Fame passed a rule declaring that any player ruled ineligible by Major League Baseball could not appear on a Hall of Fame ballot.

    This became known as the "Pete Rose rule," because it closely followed the indefinite banning of Rose, MLB's all-time hits leader, by commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti in 1989.

    Rose has never appeared on a Hall of Fame ballot, and his application for reinstatement was rejected by commissioner Rob Manfred in December 2015.

    The shift in MLB's view raises the question of whether the Hall of Fame's Early Baseball committee would consider Jackson, Buck Weaver and Eddie Cicotte, all of whom were banned from playing professional baseball by commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis in 1921 despite being acquitted by a Chicago jury of fixing the 1919 World Series. A subcommittee will determine the 10 individuals who played or were involved in the game prior to 1950 who will appear on this year's ballot, to be considered by the full Early Baseball committee this December.

    A spokesman for the Hall of Fame declined to comment. Manfred also declined to comment through a league spokesman.
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    But FIVE time drug users are OK

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    Joe Jackson never said he ever bet on baseball (or threw the game) Rose said he did though Rose got caught as a coach not as a player so I believe he should go in as a player
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    Quote Originally Posted by tramers View Post
    But FIVE time drug users are OK
    who is that?
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    For a historical perspective, it will be nice if Jackson gets in. Obviously, he is long dead although he may have family that would celebrate the lifting of the ban.

    It is sad to think Rose could be, but only after he dies. Part of the fun, I'm sure, is knowing you made it and hobnobbing with the other HOFers. I think Pete belongs there and not having the all time hit king in the HOF is just odd. Heck, he is a HOFer as far as I am concerned. Whether it is official matters not to me.

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    Update: Hall of Fame says they will NOT allow Shoeless Joe and Rose on the ballot.

    ESPN -- Any player on Major League Baseball's ineligible list will not be considered for induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, even after the banned individual's death, a hall spokesman told ESPN on Saturday.

    "This designation remains in place after an individual's passing," said Jon Shestakofsky, a Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum spokesman.

    The Hall of Fame's statement comes one day after ESPN reported that a senior MLB source said that the league has no hold on banned players after they die because the ineligible list bars players from privileges that include a job with a major league club. This would have meant MLB no longer views banned players who die as being on its permanently ineligible list.

    The previously unreported change gave fresh hope to supporters of "Shoeless" Joe Jackson that he would be considered later this year for Cooperstown by the Hall of Fame's Early Era committee. Jackson is a .356 career hitter who was prohibited from playing professional baseball in 1921 by commissioner Kenesaw Mountain Landis for having a role in the fixing of the 1919 World Series won by the Cincinnati Reds.

    But the Hall of Fame apparently shut the door on that possibility on Saturday, saying, in effect, that permanently banned players would remain banned forever. Shestakofsky declined to answer a follow-up question about whether MLB's shift in thinking about the ineligible list would impact, or could change, the hall's view.
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