User Tag List

Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Why am I not surprised?

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    The Riverlands.
    Posts
    6,432
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Why am I not surprised?

    R.I.P. Harmon Clayton Killebrew June 29, 1936-May 17, 2011 You will surely be missed!

  2. #2
    Senior Member tramers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    hickory nc
    Posts
    18,295
     tramersfoulball
    Mentioned
    192 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    if he had got caught using drugs FIVE times nothing would be said

  3. #3
    Senior Member Super Mario's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Mushroom Kingdom
    Posts
    17,728
    Mentioned
    136 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The amount of people who want this sh*tbag reinstated and inducted will always blow my mind.

    The game of baseball is better off without Pete Rose.





    Resident Yadier Molina, and Pro Wrestling super fan.

  4. #4
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Near Philly, PA
    Posts
    26,110
    Mentioned
    84 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Evidently he's not very good at it.

    When we had him for a signing in the pre-Internrt days, he was continually checking the college football scores on a nearby TV...
    Don't forget to use the FCB Link when buying on eBay!

  5. #5
    Member finestkind's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    1,115
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Pete Rose has a deal where four fans have the opportunity to dine with, receive autographs from and pose for selfies with Rose for $5,000 — provided that the fans pick up the tab for the meal.

  6. #6
    Junior Member Letch77's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Location
    Midwest
    Posts
    460
    Mentioned
    18 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by tramers View Post
    if he had got caught using drugs FIVE times nothing would be said
    Exactly. There's no evidence that he threw games or didn't play to the best of his abilities. Over 4000 hits...that'll never be topped! He should be in the Hall before Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod and the rest of the juicers.
    Wanting to buy '96 Select Certified Mirror Gold baseball...commons & stars

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    The Riverlands.
    Posts
    6,432
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Letch77 View Post
    Exactly. There's no evidence that he threw games or didn't play to the best of his abilities. Over 4000 hits...that'll never be topped! He should be in the Hall before Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod and the rest of the juicers.
    No way. He voluntarily agreed to a lifetime ban. No one forced his hand. If you're going to put Rose in, you better put "Shoeless" Joe Jackson in as well.
    R.I.P. Harmon Clayton Killebrew June 29, 1936-May 17, 2011 You will surely be missed!

  8. #8
    Junior Member Letch77's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Location
    Midwest
    Posts
    460
    Mentioned
    18 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jbone17 View Post
    No way. He voluntarily agreed to a lifetime ban. No one forced his hand. If you're going to put Rose in, you better put "Shoeless" Joe Jackson in as well.
    Shoeless Joe should be in, as well. Anyone can see that his performance during the Series wasn't one of somebody trying to lose.

    There's a distinct separation between "baseball" (being MLB) and the National Baseball Hall of Fame. A forced or voluntary ban from "baseball" should not correlate to a ban from the HOF. Rose agreed that he'd never be able to play, coach, manage, or be employed by any team under the MLB brand. The HOF, as a separate entity, is not governed by MLB - it's privately owned/managed. Its intent is to recognize accomplishments of players who played the game...their career numbers and other noteworthy accomplishments. Rose accomplished something at the major league level that no one ever has, and he did it without "cheating" or breaking the rules governing the play of the game. His accomplishments mean more to me than those of someone who cheated to obtain them.
    To sum it up, the HOF is about numbers that were achieved legitimately, and whether he bet on the games or not, Rose's hits record was achieved without cheating (as far as anyone knows).
    Last edited by Letch77; 04-25-2018 at 11:38 AM.
    Wanting to buy '96 Select Certified Mirror Gold baseball...commons & stars

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    The Riverlands.
    Posts
    6,432
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Letch77 View Post
    Shoeless Joe should be in, as well. Anyone can see that his performance during the Series wasn't one of somebody trying to lose.

    There's a distinct separation between "baseball" (being MLB) and the National Baseball Hall of Fame. A forced or voluntary ban from "baseball" should not correlate to a ban from the HOF. Rose agreed that he'd never be able to play, coach, manage, or be employed by any team under the MLB brand. The HOF, as a separate entity, is not governed by MLB - it's privately owned/managed. Its intent is to recognize accomplishments of players who played the game...their career numbers and other noteworthy accomplishments. Rose accomplished something at the major league level that no one ever has, and he did it without "cheating" or breaking the rules governing the play of the game. His accomplishments mean more to me than those of someone who cheated to obtain them.
    To sum it up, the HOF is about numbers that were achieved legitimately, and whether he bet on the games or not, Rose's hits record was achieved without cheating (as far as anyone knows).
    I'm aware of the separate entities. Regardless, Rose should not be a HOF'er. The man is an embarrassment.
    R.I.P. Harmon Clayton Killebrew June 29, 1936-May 17, 2011 You will surely be missed!

  10. #10
    Junior Member forgerelli's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    348
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Pete Rose admitted to gambling on games he managed. Gambling in sports is THE cardinal sin. It's worse than anything, including PED's. By far.

    Even if (and that's a big if) he only bet on his team to win, that still undermines the entire basis of sports, which is to compete to win. If Rose had Mariano Rivera on his team and had a bet on Monday's game he could use Mo for 2 innings to make sure he wins. Then Mo is unavailable for Tuesday and Wednesday. That is affecting the outcome of multiple games. There are also many rumors that Rose was betting on games in the 70's.

    Say whatever you want about PED users (including those that used amphetamines like Mantle), but they used PED's to improve their game. To win.

    Gambling is the absolute worst thing you can do in sports. Read the history of gambling and it's affect on the games, it can utterly destroy a sport. If you don't understand that what Rose (and Joe Jackson) did is unforgivable in the world of sports then that's on you.

    Scott F
    Mariano Rivera Super Collector. Always buying rare Mo's - PSA's, Auto's, Patches, Printing Plates, or any other rare Mo's. I PAY MORE THAN ANYONE FOR MARIANO'S I NEED.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,876
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by forgerelli View Post
    Pete Rose admitted to gambling on games he managed. Gambling in sports is THE cardinal sin. It's worse than anything, including PED's. By far.

    Even if (and that's a big if) he only bet on his team to win, that still undermines the entire basis of sports, which is to compete to win. If Rose had Mariano Rivera on his team and had a bet on Monday's game he could use Mo for 2 innings to make sure he wins. Then Mo is unavailable for Tuesday and Wednesday. That is affecting the outcome of multiple games. There are also many rumors that Rose was betting on games in the 70's.

    Say whatever you want about PED users (including those that used amphetamines like Mantle), but they used PED's to improve their game. To win.

    Gambling is the absolute worst thing you can do in sports. Read the history of gambling and it's affect on the games, it can utterly destroy a sport. If you don't understand that what Rose (and Joe Jackson) did is unforgivable in the world of sports then that's on you.

    Scott F
    Agreed from top to bottom.

    I understand about un-leveled play and the dangers of drugs, but if you extend the PED usage to its natural conclusion, you would arguably have a better sport and product on the field. If you extend Rose's behavior to its conclusion, you end up with another version of pro wrestling, scripted outcomes and all.

    Gambling and PED use are not even close to each other as rule infractions, nor should they be.

    I'm fine with Rose right where he is. He is all over the exhibits at Cooperstown, having played an important role in the game's history, but he falls short of enshrinement as a warning to others. You cannot gamble on the game when you are in any way involved with it.
    HOF auto collector - I'm up to 258 different in my collection (used to have a photobucket link here, but photobucket sucks)

    GO ROCKIES!

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    5,876
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Letch77 View Post
    Shoeless Joe should be in, as well. Anyone can see that his performance during the Series wasn't one of somebody trying to lose.
    There are interesting arguments out there based on Jackson's splits and fielding performance in the games the White Sox won vs those they lost (in conjunction with the foreknowledge that those invovled had about which games were to have which outcomes), but none of that really matters. All that matters is that Jackson took the money in full knowledge that there was a fix.
    HOF auto collector - I'm up to 258 different in my collection (used to have a photobucket link here, but photobucket sucks)

    GO ROCKIES!

  13. #13
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Near Philly, PA
    Posts
    26,110
    Mentioned
    84 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I keep going back to an instance a long time ago when some of his backers in the Hall, like Morgan and Schmidt, got Selig to agree to a meeting about it and Rose then went to Vegas for a big, splashy event-filled weekend which certainly did not help their argument...
    Last edited by gt2590; 04-25-2018 at 11:34 PM.
    Don't forget to use the FCB Link when buying on eBay!

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Mystic, CT
    Posts
    2,165
     Kyouk20
    Mentioned
    38 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    As organizations i realize MLB and the hof are seperate...that's dumb. The hof doesn't exist without the mlb, it's probably time the guardianship to entrance is taken from the most bias and ridiculous group of people in America, the BBWAA. It's not like rose has been vacated from record books like the ncaa does in certain circumstances. Rose has his mentions in places but he isn't in the hall and rightly so. If for no other reason than to be a reminder that actions have consequences. He still has a large place in baseball history and a larger place in baseball lore.
    As for his most recent troubles, who cares. He's a regular guy now, provided he didn't break any laws, big whoop. It might make him look like an ass but I really doubt he cares. Is Manfred gonna go all Animal House and put him on double secret lifetime ban?

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    6,235
    Mentioned
    55 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    One thing I've learned is never ever trust an ex wife

    Sent from my [device_name] using Freedom Card Board mobile app

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •