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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffv96masters View Post
    Today's post is about the 1977-79 SPORTSCASTERS RED SOX. I was able to find just three of mine - the Yaz Hidden Ball Trick and the second shows Bernie Carbo sliding into home on the Thurman Munson card; and one sealed package ( the Money Game which shows Red Sox pitcher Dennis Eckersley).

    This item was available via a mail in subscription thru multiple sources in the US and various other countries via a publishing company called Atlas Editions. This company was a publishing company that produced various sets of informative cards in 9 different countries I am aware of from 1975 thru 2001 when they folded . They also produced a ton of different sets- they covered sports, airplanes, cars, motorcycles, the US Civil War , military related subjects and even Star Trek.

    You may have one player but that player may just have multiple variations from the various countries. Do not trust Beckett's OPG nor the Trading card DB as neither is fully complete. Your best searching until you can't locate a variation you don't have as all I'll recommend.

    These subject matters all followed the same pattern and the cards themselves were 5 inches by 6 inches. You received a bulk package when you initially ordered along with something to put them in and document as you went long. Each subsequent package contained a set number of items ( varied with each subject matter) and you could cancel the subscription at any time. People who got in early on the sets wound up with rare ones because invariably the company would change a checklist or package and a card wouldn't be found in later subscriptions.

    I won't go into long detail but many people have put together various sports checklist. I'll refrain from posting my own just go online you'll get "some" info. I saw a recent post on CU that reminded me to look for my own sets. Found just a few here the rest I'm sure buried somewhere in storage as usual. There was a guy who used to have a Sportscaster site who I guess didn't bother asking for donations and let in run dry. Too bad I'd have contributed towards keeping it up and running it was a great resource.




    Below are some of the Red Sox and Yankees ones I have here in Vegas and the unopened pack example as well. Reminds me I need more top loads of this size !! The whole bunch of them are printed in ITALY . Yes that is two Dimaggio's one is a sepia the other B&W. Whether its a variation unsure its always looked this way. I tossed in Aaron and Seaver for some variety.

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    I need to go back through my storage building at some point. I rescued 3 or 4 large cardboard boxes of these from the dumpster at the elementary school my wife works at about 5 or 6 years ago.
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    DAY 26 - 1976 LINNETT SUPERSTARS SERIES

    Today's post is specifically about the 1976 LINNETT RED SOX 4.5 x 6.5 team set versions I came across yesterday also. Just this years set I haven't seen my Dwight Evans from 1975 or my other larger 1976 drawing style ones (yet)

    As always a little history. Charles Linnett was a commercial artist in Walpole, MA .You may have heard of that city . I know it as a regular stop in the show circuit back home. Also as home to our state prison. Anyways he had a creative outlet and wanted to be able to draw his favorite sports stars but educate his kids as well. So he decided to come up with a 'Pee Wee" series of stuff. The rest is cardboard history. You could order 3 main sports I am aware of of based on his order form- baseball, basketball, and hockey . I have also seen some football and even the order form says he did Harlem Globetrotters stuff as well. I never had to time and still don't to make a complete check into all his stuff that he was able to draw. If anyone has ever tried see me would love that checklist of everything.

    In 1973-75 I am aware of All-Star packs and team packs for hockey and basketball. Distribution was at team stores inside stadiums ,some retail outlets, and also I saw some as stadium giveaways. Those two years he did a lot of hockey and basketball work although I know there were a bunch of baseball ones as well. I'll try and locate mine from that period = no promises. I do know the old Casey's Hockey bibles showed ads for his stuff. Same with a bunch of old sports journals.

    The MLB folks at that time had several arms that looked after the needs of MLB in the business arena. One was called the " MLB Promotion Corp". It was a precursor to MLB Properties. Linnett went the extra mile and got their approval-- which is to say he did everything right that they desired. They also had the separate MLB Players association logo on these as well so he basically was covered in everything and I am sure the educational aspect helped his case.

    In 1976, Linnett issued perforated team packs with cards that were about 4.5 by 6.5 inches. They issued two Red Sox team sets of 6 players each and I am sure the other team sets followed the same pattern. The baseball backs depict "Sailing Ships" or "Great Cars of the World". I am showing my unopened package below I found so you can see the unopened package of one of them I have the second unopened team set I am sure in storage. I also have several loose ones as well. On them you can see an ad for his 8.5 x 11 portrait of the same person pictured on the card except in black and white. You could also order a list of all the items for 60 cents plus 35 cents to cover s&h.

    Also, that year (again, I am guessing), blank backed 8 x 12 wood grained bordered pencil portraits were made for several Red Sox and Patriots players. I'll try and locate mine but this is what I had available - a few loose and the package you see.

    I'm sure [MENTION=4047]mrmopar[/MENTION] will finally be happy with this series = he actually may have seen some locally his way ( Linnett did Dodgers= hello !!)

    Here is my pics of the unopened set I have readily available, the two team sets shown together using a little bit of cut and paste magic and some loose ones. Took me a bit to get the unopened team set pic had to have the wife take it with her phone.


    First is a loose perforated one taken off an opened set .Tiant was chosen as he was the closest. I have others (Doyle, Lynn, Wise,Lee etc)








    THIS THE UNOPENED RED SOX GROUP 1 STACK. I had to take this with the wife's phone because its so big couldn't fit it on my scanner bed. To appreciate the size factor go into my album and see just how big these pictures actually are.









    THIS IS BOTH RED SOX SETS-- took some doing as I had to take pictures of both sides and do a cut and past from back & front to show them all






    THIS IS WHAT THE LINNETT ORDER FORM LOOKED LIKE





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    I went to the agricultural high school in Walpole. A lot of good it did me. I like the multi-sports sets like this. They changed the name of the prison to Cedar Junction. I guess to make it more acceptable for the town.
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    I don't recall where I saw the Pee Wee version for the first time, but I instantly needed to have the Garvey card. It may have been in one of those early mail order catalogs I used to get a hold of from time to time (Renata Galasso, TCMA, Pacific Trading Cards). I thought that "cartoon" drawing and the design, somewhat similar to the 75 Topps was just the coolest look ever. Problem was, this was before the internet and even before very many shops, at least those known to a pre-teen who relied on his parents for transportation and of course, at their convenience (If a shop was on the way to somewhere we were going, we MIGHT stop. Forget it if we needed to go out of the way!). The first shows I ever attended were after I got back into the hobby after a bit of time off while I was on active duty in the Navy. I am pretty sure that I didn't finally get my Garvey card until after the Navy as well, once I discovered Ebay.

    As with a lot of cooler stuff that was not necessarily rare, but less common, the supply seems to have dried up quite a bit. In the early days of eBay, I was older and had some disposable income so I was scoring a lot of great stuff that I'd never find locally. The Pee Wee's come up a fair amount, but the prints show up less and the packaged prints even less than singles. Sounds like you'll do an entry on the prints, but here is a sneak peek for those not familiar. I have the team set, All-Star set and even the photo that was used for the portrait drawing. All oversized, thus tucked away in a tote deep in my closet.

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    Like Jeff, I don't have immediate access to a lot of my stuff. Not because it is in remote storage or in a different location from me, but simply because I don't have the room in my home to freely get to all the boxes of crap I have saved over the years. I rely on old scans that I made when I had items out at some point, which pains me when I see threads like this where I know I may have something that would add to the value of the post, but can't find or get to it and I have no scans readily available.

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    Love the pictures and historic descriptions. I collect '80s and some early '90s oddball sets. Never knew that McDonald's set existed.
    Glad we're getting a full year of this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmopar View Post
    I don't recall where I saw the Pee Wee version for the first time, but I instantly needed to have the Garvey card. It may have been in one of those early mail order catalogs I used to get a hold of from time to time (Renata Galasso, TCMA, Pacific Trading Cards). I thought that "cartoon" drawing and the design, somewhat similar to the 75 Topps was just the coolest look ever. Problem was, this was before the internet and even before very many shops, at least those known to a pre-teen who relied on his parents for transportation and of course, at their convenience (If a shop was on the way to somewhere we were going, we MIGHT stop. Forget it if we needed to go out of the way!). The first shows I ever attended were after I got back into the hobby after a bit of time off while I was on active duty in the Navy. I am pretty sure that I didn't finally get my Garvey card until after the Navy as well, once I discovered Ebay.

    As with a lot of cooler stuff that was not necessarily rare, but less common, the supply seems to have dried up quite a bit. In the early days of eBay, I was older and had some disposable income so I was scoring a lot of great stuff that I'd never find locally. The Pee Wee's come up a fair amount, but the prints show up less and the packaged prints even less than singles. Sounds like you'll do an entry on the prints, but here is a sneak peek for those not familiar. I have the team set, All-Star set and even the photo that was used for the portrait drawing. All oversized, thus tucked away in a tote deep in my closet.

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    Like Jeff, I don't have immediate access to a lot of my stuff. Not because it is in remote storage or in a different location from me, but simply because I don't have the room in my home to freely get to all the boxes of crap I have saved over the years. I rely on old scans that I made when I had items out at some point, which pains me when I see threads like this where I know I may have something that would add to the value of the post, but can't find or get to it and I have no scans readily available.

    The portraits have some variations as well. Here are the two Tiants that I have - one with a logo and one without.




    I have not bought one yet but I keep seeing what appears to be a 3rd variation which has a black and white logo.




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    I would definitely ask the seller first. Sometimes scans can appear very different than the item. That could just be a bad scan where the color is missing. I don't think I have seen any with team logos on them. Were they issued differently? Maybe it was Red Sox only?

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    That's exactly why I haven't bought the black and white logo one yet.

    Looking at tradingcarddb there are some players that have up to four variations. Garvey doesn't show any variations.
    https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Checkl...03?PageIndex=1

    I'm sure when [MENTION=2322]jeffv96masters[/MENTION] gets to the portraits he will know exactly how many variations and I will have my Tiant answer.



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    There are so many issues over the years and depending on what you collect, a lot passed you by without notice. I like oddball stuff, but still can't possibly track it all down. That said, a thread like this is nice to gain knowledge on certain issues when we crown source info. I hope that we are not ruining Jeff's thing here, but I came across this scan when I was doing a little organizing yesterday. I have been grabbing scan of neat stuff for years and have rarely taken the time to rename them so I can find them easier. That is yet another project I am wanting to dig into. Lots of neat stuff to share. Anyway, I don't even see young on the list from the site you linked. Goes to show how much info is missing on the average sets...Apparently these were given out at a game. Not sure where, but assume someone in the Milwaukee area.Click image for larger version. 

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    Here is a few more neat items...an unopened pack I also grabbed a scan of at some point...Could be a single print, not sure. A special Ryan and a shot of Linnett himself. Click image for larger version. 

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    DAY 27- Early 1990'S PRO MINT Gold Cards

    Today's discussion will center specifically on the PRO MINT 22KT GOLD RED SOX CARDS - in this case my Roger Clemens 1994 Pro Mint Red Sox item. I do know they produced many years - however I located the 1994 Clemens Red Sox so 1994 it is.

    Let me start off the rest of this by saying below is fact- trace this info yourself and come to your own conclusions. I state my own opinions. And my opinions may be worthless to some and valuable to others. So take it with a grain of salt.

    In the early 1990's outside producers of stamps, coins, etc were trying to tap into the now lucrative baseball card market ( one that was by then fully saturated and overproduced by Topps) by coming up with unique items that could attract the non-collectors to buy their products. Two producers come to mind immediately during that period and one is Highland Mint, a well know stamp and coin purveyor , and the other a smaller company that called themselves PRO MINT ( except that is not its real name).

    PRO MINT however was not the company's real name- it was a product name. During that time period mail order was king still. Catalogs abounded and even though it was early 1990's many people still did not own PC's. Even those who did owned clunky, slow, dial up style systems. I know it wasn't until 1995 or so when DSL came around my system started moving quick. So the catalog crowd still was able to co-exist. This was a factor this company counted on.

    PRO MINT started a series of sets around gold plated items like Nolan Ryan, Babe Ruth Ruth and other stars of the day like Ken Griffey Jr, culminating in one called the "1994 Baseball Diamond Edition" similar to the Highland Mint cards. They intended to attract people who knew of these mega stars but may not collect baseball cards and instead opt for "gold" items. Lots of people collect coins, gold, jewelry etc. This was well thought out ahead of time in the marketing. Be as generic as possible yet show enough to attract interest. An age old catalog trick. Nice pictures- below average products.

    It was interesting material in the first read over- yet when I traced info on the company back then to see if I wanted to order - did not like what I saw. A phone call (or five back then) and what a maze it became. Warning bells went off big time .

    The product is supposed to be a 22 kt gold / white gold mix. I'll touch on why that isn't possible to be cheap later on.

    Below is an original order form for one of the products- a standard mail order promotional pitch. Lots of fluff- little of cold hard fact. Here as you can plainly see they are claiming " the card is the first 22kt gold on 14kt White Gold card". Which if true would be ultra expensive- even then. Go into the album to see full sized if needed. Read the description in the ad. A business could get away with a generalized statement- who had time to check a company's business info back then ?? Very few knew how or had the means.






    Problem # 1 I had originally- I collected coins as well as cards at that time. Gold is a very soft metal- very malleable. Its the reason why jewelry can be made out of it. Its also very pliable and easy to form. No one can create that type of card cheaply if true. So I knew it would have to be "plate" at best. More likely leaf. So I dig further

    Checked into the address listed on that order form above ( Preferred Direct, 2200 W 66th St, Ste 224, Richfield, MN 55423) and that's the below locale and has been for years. While its updated its signage to be with the times, its the same business it was in the 1990's. Its called "mail pickup" or "portable post office box" in credit terms.





    Problem # 2 - I don't like "mail pickups"- as a credit person this generally tells me someone trying to hide something. After all most businesses use the USPS. The ones worried about being charged with mail fraud avoid USPS mail boxes. Or the ones trying to hide who they are and where they really are doing business.


    The address listed on company letterhead touting the "Diamond Edition Gold series" cards was on the letterhead ( see below ) and was 9555 James Ave Ste 245- a warehouse locale that rents space out . Checked further into the product- not real 22k gold or white gold =but imitation leaf. Its where you can mix certain metals and get what looks like real gold but isn't. Worthless- looks great, not worth diddly.





    And notice that paperwork- who in their right mind sends a letter with "Preferred Customer Service" as the header?? Why not the company name ( i.e. Pro Mint?? or Preferred Direct ??) And why is said "President" Duane Heydon so difficult to find?? You'd think he'd be able to be found. Seems nowhere else but the letters of "authenticity." He's not on the business info when checked back then, nor was he ever listed on anything that meant anything to the general public. Why? I'll let teh reader draw their own conclusion. I know why.



    Boy what a doozy the guy(s) who ran this company were. Let's start now with public face Steve Klimek- the "program director" . Supposedly a noted "sports authority" . Lots of bombast- no hard facts. Generalized statements as in "been in the hobby for X number of years ( yet no one knew him all that time somehow in Minneapolis despite numerous major dealers there).


    So I avoided buying those PRO MINT items and just kept to myself my thoughts on the company. Let others buy from them like other places like "Merrick Mint" etc.

    But lo and behold- they pop up again closer to home- this time in Lakewood NJ of all places.
    I get an email from a guy who knew me well enough to know I'd appreciate the info

    https://www.collectorsalliance.com/aboutus.asp


    Same guy- how amazing a coincidence. FYI these guys all are considered the Don Wests of coins. Sad to say but that Lakewood NJ warehouse went in foreclosure.
    How do people successful enough to be on TV get their business foreclosed ?? Huh ??

    It all traced back to a direct media company called Novus Marketing. Strange how a company that started as mail order changed to a direct marketing arm. Want even more of a concern- look up who is associated with the above company. I'll stop now suffice to say this hobby is full of people who do not pass my smell test and who I personally choose to avoid.

    I eventually did get these PRO MINT items below sent to me by someone who picked them up in a dollar bin
    I'd say they are now priced at what they always should have been priced at.
    Sadly many people paid the $49.95 back then.








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    Boy, it seemed everyone was pumping out metal cards in the early-mid 90s or porcelain or wood....I picked up a few that caught my eye, but never direct from anyone selling them first hand. I'd say most of my hobby purchased have been secondary market. There was a lot of variety to choose from and that was right in the early stages of my return to the hobby after a 5 year absence. I'm surprised I didn't go more crazy with my buying. Thankfully, I didn't.

    I don't recall how I got this one, may have been in eBay impulse buy, but if I remember, this card is fairly thick and substantial. it's buried now, but I did have a scan of it. I have not come across another like it from Score or any other replica of a licensed card in this format. I don't know anything about it unfortunately. Maybe someone else does?Click image for larger version. 

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    Wow, great detective work on the Pro Mint cards. I'm glad my wife never saw those. She was always trying to get what she thought was a good thing like that for my collection.

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    DAY 28 - 1990 TOPPS TV AND 1991 CRACKER JACK UPDATE

    Today's subjects will cover the 1990 TOPPS TV RED SOX and a follow up to a prior 1991 Cracker Jack post

    The 1990 Topps TV sets were available via a special TV offer. There were five different teams sets made the Cardinals, Cubs, Mets, Red Sox and Yankees. The five team sets were only marketed in that teams general areas, while the 6th set , the "All-Stars set" , was marketed nationwide. I've seen bloggers call these the " 1990 Premier Collectors Edition" which is because of the box. I prefer calling them something close to that but Topps tended to call any first edition that nomenclature so I'll use the TV set as my name for my records.

    I can tell you the above info has been printed forever. This does an injustice to what to me was a great 1990's set.

    Anyways I remember these box sets going for either $49.95 for some crazy figure around that mark. I used to see them late night when the infomercials and HSN / QVC folks did their best business. I'll try and dig up my additional advertising on these. I know it was posted in a catalog but I can't remember the catalog. While they sold on TV I know they immediately started showing up at shows and in magazines for sale so distribution may have initially been on TV but that didn't last long. I know they were available on dealernet back then as well. If you have more info- post it I'd love love to hear it.

    By the way I'm NOT saying they sold via HSN / QVC = I just said back then those other 2 outlets were hawking cards on late night TV similar to how these got sold. Back in 1990 QVC and HSN were selling cards online. Remember Crazy Don West ? "I'll sell you all these overproduced box sets- for just $99.95. You get all 10 of them for that price !! " Was a hoot then and still is. How did they have so many available and yet they were "limited' according to Don ?? Yes folks we do what we are paid to do.

    Below is pics of all 6 boxes and the backs / sides of two Red Sox boxes









    I have the raw Clemens you see here and I've had that graded BGS Gem since 2006.









    And on another note my Etsy seller finally sent my unopened 1991 Cracker Jack purchase 3 weeks after purchase. I was happy to get them in . Plenty of players recognizable inside. Many of these unopened packs have multiple cards in them so could be hard to tell on some ,but I can see some commons and some star unopened packs here. While I have a loose card and a 4 in 1 as well I was missing an unopened pack which I just checked off my list of things I needed = 27 years later !!!

    I saw Roger Clemens,Nolan Ryan, Kirby Puckett (x2), Cal Ripken Jr, Ken Griffey Jr (x2), Bo Jackson, Eric Davis, Rickey Henderson, Dave Parker, George Brett , Don Mattingly,Barry Bonds and a whole bunch of others ( oh yeah- Mark Grace ) as I went thru them. Some unopened pics below







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    This is an awesome thread. I'm really enjoying reading about all these old obscure issues. The Promint one was especially fun. I never bought any of that stuff being hustled on TV but I do remember it. There's a Promint Alomar card that I would like to add to my collection...but the only one I've seen in recent years was somewhere near the original price tag, like $45 or something. No thanks
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