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    Quote Originally Posted by TNP777 View Post
    Some of you guys might remember that I'm a player collector, too. Brett Butler is one of my favorite modern players, and somehow I got on this quest to collect every card any company has ever issued of him. Beckett has 534 unique Butler cards catalogued - I've got 521 of them, plus several hundred uncatalogued variations and oddball cards that 80s & 90s player collectors recognize but Beckett doesn't

    For years I'd check eBay for new Butler cards several times a day, but for the past few years I've needed the same 13 cards (8 of which are numbered 1/1), so now I only check maybe once a week - if I even remember to. Hits to my wantlist have been so infrequent that I've been giving a ghost of a thought to actually getting rid of it.

    So late last week I figured I'd see if anything new had popped up, which usually only happens if the Topps Vault released something. Scroll scroll scroll... wait a damn minute... WHAT'S THIS??? Well, how 'bout that - a card I've literally never seen before is sitting right there with a $25 BIN/BO + $3 shipping. So what does my dumb ass do? Offer the seller $15. And the whole damn time I'm waiting for a response I'm mentally kicking my own ass for not just grabbing it up. Patience won out, though - the seller accepted my offer around midnight and I paid immediately.

    Some of you guys may have seen this incredibly weird and not-very-popular issue: Pinnacle Inside. There was a pack of cards inside a can that you literally had to open with a standard can opener.



    It was a 150-card base set with two parallels: Club Edition and Diamond Edition. And because it was such an incredibly popular idea (eye roll), there are hundreds of the base cards floating around, maybe dozens of the Club Edition, and damn near none of the Diamond Editions. Guess which one I've been looking for?

    So here it is, kids - the 1997 Pinnacle Inside Diamond Edition Brett Butler, a card that's been on my wantlist for 21 years. I'm decently stoked.

    Sorry for the cruddy scan, btw - these foil fronts just don't scan very well.



    Here's the base and Club Edition:



    Glad you won it! I pick up the 1997 Diamond Editions regularly whenever they are at a good price. I have probably a couple dozen in the collection. Saw this Butler hit but I took too long to think about it. Glad it went to its rightful home! Great buy!

    I have a 1992 Donruss DK Super Butler BGS 9.5 in the Collection in case you need it...

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    Appreciate the offer. If it was one of the few (if even that many) that made it into a PSA holder I’d probably be interested. I have a couple of raw ones for now.

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    So check this out.

    Last Tuesday brought that terrific White Whale mailday. I shared my exciting pickup on five different message board, including Blowout. A guy over there says that TradingCardDB shows a different number of available Butler cards than Beckett does, so I spent a chunk of Wednesday comparing my list to theirs, plus having a fresh look at Beckett's list.

    So there are three other "cards" on my list - I've got them listed under "Oddball".
    * 1992 Dodgers Smokey 4292 (is how Beckett had it listed - and isn't 4292 an odd card number???)
    * 1995 Mets Colla (again, how Beckett had it listed)
    * 2005 Diamondbacks Team Issue

    For years I've never seen or heard a glimpse of any of those sets, so Wednesday I was finally going to delete them and assume they'd never been issued. I'd done probably dozens of Google searches, endless eBay searches, trolled message boards - nothing. I'm starting to think someone fed Beckett bogus info.

    And then I came across this listing on Worthpoint: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ers-1758275390

    Well, how about that. I think I've got a lead. It turns out that weird "4292" card number means that it's actually postcard #42, and the set was produced in 1992 - hence the 4292 designation.

    Okay, cool. The card (or postcard) actually exists. It still doesn't mean I've ever seen one. That is, until later that day when I hit up the bright idea of searching ebay for Butler (postcard,postcards,"post card","post cards") and effing found a seller who effing had six of the Butlers in one BIN/BO lot!

    So what does my dumb ass do? You're damn right - I make an offer! lolololol!! I don't need six of them - two will do. So I fire off a message to the seller, and he agrees to part the lot for me. I buy two, today's mail arrives - and he sent three of them.

    Oh, did I mention that they were all autographed? They weren't issued that way, so the autographs are a nice bonus.




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    So, seeing those it kind of makes sense now. There is no Smokey card set from 1992, but postcard is a different story (curse of the oversized card again). I have a few other Dodger postcards of a similar era but a little newer (Nomo, Park, Karros, Piazza, etc) with some different sponsors (David's Sunflower seeds, for example). Given that you don't seem them all that often, like the 80s Coke Postcards, but much harder to find, I think they were made for the players and team to send for fan mail. It is possible that sets were never available unless someone actually wrote the team and beggars or purchased a set. Just a theory, but probably not that far off if not spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNP777 View Post
    These three have driven me crazy for a long, long time. Yesterday I had finally decided to cross all three of them from my list and forget I was ever looking for them. This is how Beckett has them listed:

    1995 Mets Colla 9
    1992 Dodgers Smokey 4292
    2005 Arizona Diamondbacks team issue 2

    I was in the middle of comparing my haves & wants to TradingCardDB's list and was trolling around on Google and stumbled across this listing on Worthpoint:

    LOT OF 30 1992 LOS ANGELES DODGERS SMOKEY THE BEAR FIRE SAFETY POST CARDS. Postcards? Thanks, Beckett - what a helpful listing. (eye roll)

    So I jumped on eBay and trolled some more. Jackpot! https://www.ebay.com/itm/202504909921. The seller had a 6-card lot, all autographed no less, so I made a deal to pick up two of them. For the numbering system, it turns out that every postcard in the set ends in 92, making Butler's card number 42.



    I did a little more research and have tentative positive ID on the 1995 Mets Colla - looks like they are also postcards and likely exist.

    So now I'm down to the 2005 Diamondbacks team issue, which I'm now suspecting is some sort of postcard as well. That fits with every other team-issued Butler oddity in my collection. Any ideas on that one?
    I'm speculating, but from my collecting Astros autographs, this was probably a card issued by the Diamondbacks for events like FanFest. The Astros have made a set like this for every year since at least 2000 and Beckett, when they list them at all, always poorly describes them. You are probably looking for a team issued postcard that was given out at public signings. It likely only exists autographed, but an employee could have kept a few unsigned.

    Again, totally speculating. I have found this to be the case with my Astros player collections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNP777 View Post
    These three have driven me crazy for a long, long time. Yesterday I had finally decided to cross all three of them from my list and forget I was ever looking for them. This is how Beckett has them listed:

    1995 Mets Colla 9
    1992 Dodgers Smokey 4292
    2005 Arizona Diamondbacks team issue 2

    I was in the middle of comparing my haves & wants to TradingCardDB's list and was trolling around on Google and stumbled across this listing on Worthpoint:

    LOT OF 30 1992 LOS ANGELES DODGERS SMOKEY THE BEAR FIRE SAFETY POST CARDS. Postcards? Thanks, Beckett - what a helpful listing. (eye roll)

    So I jumped on eBay and trolled some more. Jackpot! https://www.ebay.com/itm/202504909921. The seller had a 6-card lot, all autographed no less, so I made a deal to pick up two of them. For the numbering system, it turns out that every postcard in the set ends in 92, making Butler's card number 42.



    I did a little more research and have tentative positive ID on the 1995 Mets Colla - looks like they are also postcards and likely exist.

    So now I'm down to the 2005 Diamondbacks team issue, which I'm now suspecting is some sort of postcard as well. That fits with every other team-issued Butler oddity in my collection. Any ideas on that one?
    I'm speculating, but from my collecting Astros autographs, this was probably a card issued by the Diamondbacks for events like FanFest. The Astros have made a set like this for every year since at least 2000 and Beckett, when they list them at all, always poorly describes them. You are probably looking for a team issued postcard that was given out at public signings. It likely only exists autographed, but an employee could have kept a few unsigned.

    Again, totally speculating. I have found this to be the case with my Astros player collections.

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    That sounds very likely and for that matter, the Colla card could be a postcard too.

    For years, Beckett listed a 1973 Team Issue card for Steve Garvey. I still don't know exactly what it is. I figure it is one of the B&W 5x7 photo pack photos, but since they can list **** willy nilly and never provide photo proof of a set, well, it could be just about anything...or not even exist in some cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Therion View Post
    I'm speculating, but from my collecting Astros autographs, this was probably a card issued by the Diamondbacks for events like FanFest. The Astros have made a set like this for every year since at least 2000 and Beckett, when they list them at all, always poorly describes them. You are probably looking for a team issued postcard that was given out at public signings. It likely only exists autographed, but an employee could have kept a few unsigned.

    Again, totally speculating. I have found this to be the case with my Astros player collections.

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