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    As an A's fan, I appreciated Baines more than most, but he's not a HOFer to me. Heck, he could barely run his last 5 years.

    I don't totally agree with Lee Smith either but he was good enough for long enough it's not a big problem for me...
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    As an A's fan, I appreciated Baines more than most, but he's not a HOFer to me. Heck, he could barely run his last 5 years.

    I don't totally agree with Lee Smith either but he was good enough for long enough it's not a big problem for me...
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    How in the hell does Baines get in the HOF before Ted Simmons?

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    “Harold Baines was on the ballot as recently as 2011 and received 4.8% of the vote. It was his fifth straight year with a vote total below 10%. Why, just seven years later, do 16 people get to decide that he's now a Hall of Famer when 95.2% of the voters didn't think he was one?“
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    I couldn’t have said it any better myself, Aaron. While both of these players were very good, neither belongs among the legends of the game. Just because other very good players have unfortunately made it in doesn’t mean we have to let them all in now.

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    Baines' election is just frickin' asinine. Excluding closers, he's easily the worst player elected in the last 30 to 40 years. Blows away the elections of Blyleven and Sutton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone17 View Post
    The fact George Steinbrenner doesn't get in is a crime. Between 1973-2010, "The Boss" won seven World Series titles. He was one of the biggest advocates of revenue sharing (Against his own will). Most of these owners can bow down to his philanthropy and kiss his boots. Yes, he rubbed folks the wrong way; however, the nostalgia that comes with his legacy cannot be ignored. I'm sorry, but Harold Baines isn't a HOF'er. Neither is Lee Smith.


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    Congrats to the both of them. Gives hope for players like Oliver, Parker, John, W. Davis, Pinson, Murphy, Garvey and some others if the Hall will start recognizing some of those "on the fence" type players everyone loves to ***** about. People need to stop comparing guys like Baines to the likes of Willie Mays and Hank Aaron. Those guys are rare as it is, a few per generation, but to think everyone in the Hall of Fame needs to be at their playing level is just short sided.

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    What a joke. Even Baines himself said he was in total shock.
    He was good but never great. No one considered Baines a Hall of Famer during his playing days.

    He was the ultimate stat compiler. He had 2,800+ hits, but only once did he have more than 173 hits in a season. He had almost 400 homers, but only once hit more than 25 homers.
    He received MVP votes in only four of his 22 seasons, and was never higher than 9th place.

    Worst of all, Baines never received more than 6% of the HOF vote. Now he’s magically worthy, after 94% of voters said he wasn’t?

    So why was he elected this time? ESPN’s analysts say the main reason is because of the nonstop lobbying of White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who just happens to be one of the 16 voters, who also include Baines’ former teammate Roberto Alomar, his former GM Pat Gillick and former manager Tony LaRussa.

    Lots of nepotism in these new committees, and it favored Baines this time.
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    After hours of no understanding of what could possibly explain Harold Baines, someone else finally provided that. Everyone (not accused of steroids with over 2800 hits is in the HOF, same goes for over 1600 RBIs. So Baines crossed 2 thresholds that everyone who has crossed has made it.

    I feel like doing so much of it as a DH and taking 22 seasons, took away from the significance of these totals, but I wasn't voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhcook View Post
    After hours of no understanding of what could possibly explain Harold Baines, someone else finally provided that. Everyone (not accused of steroids with over 2800 hits is in the HOF, same goes for over 1600 RBIs. So Baines crossed 2 thresholds that everyone who has crossed has made it.

    I feel like doing so much of it as a DH and taking 22 seasons, took away from the significance of these totals, but I wasn't voting.

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    How in the world? Edgar Martinez has been fighting and clawing his way up the list as the greatest DH of all time and Baines gets in before he does? WTH?

    Looking at the list I thought that Clark would be the borderline guy they put in with Smith. Baines shouldn't have even been on the list at all.
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    Well those two were good players borderline very good at times during their career. WHAT A ****IN JOKE

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    I'm a big hall guy. Smith is borderline at best, but Baines is a horrible selection. One of the worst ever.

    A quick comparison to one of my favorite overlooked guys Dwight Evans:

    Baines:Right Field (74th):
    38.7 career WAR / 21.4 7yr-peak WAR / 30.1 JAWS

    Evans:Right Field (15th):
    67.1 career WAR / 37.3 7yr-peak WAR / 52.2 JAWS

    Average HOF RF (out of 25):
    72.7 career WAR / 42.9 7yr-peak WAR / 57.8 JAWS

    Dwight Evans is almost literally twice the player Baines was.

    WTF. seriously, WTF.
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    Paul Konerko: “There’s a lot great hitters in the Hall of Fame but Harold Baines is better than a lot of them”
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