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    As an A's fan, I appreciated Baines more than most, but he's not a HOFer to me. Heck, he could barely run his last 5 years.

    I don't totally agree with Lee Smith either but he was good enough for long enough it's not a big problem for me...
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    As an A's fan, I appreciated Baines more than most, but he's not a HOFer to me. Heck, he could barely run his last 5 years.

    I don't totally agree with Lee Smith either but he was good enough for long enough it's not a big problem for me...
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    How in the hell does Baines get in the HOF before Ted Simmons?

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    “Harold Baines was on the ballot as recently as 2011 and received 4.8% of the vote. It was his fifth straight year with a vote total below 10%. Why, just seven years later, do 16 people get to decide that he's now a Hall of Famer when 95.2% of the voters didn't think he was one?“
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    I couldn’t have said it any better myself, Aaron. While both of these players were very good, neither belongs among the legends of the game. Just because other very good players have unfortunately made it in doesn’t mean we have to let them all in now.

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    What a joke. Even Baines himself said he was in total shock.
    He was good but never great. No one considered Baines a Hall of Famer during his playing days.

    He was the ultimate stat compiler. He had 2,800+ hits, but only once did he have more than 173 hits in a season. He had almost 400 homers, but only once hit more than 25 homers.
    He received MVP votes in only four of his 22 seasons, and was never higher than 9th place.

    Worst of all, Baines never received more than 6% of the HOF vote. Now he’s magically worthy, after 94% of voters said he wasn’t?

    So why was he elected this time? ESPN’s analysts say the main reason is because of the nonstop lobbying of White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who just happens to be one of the 16 voters, who also include Baines’ former teammate Roberto Alomar, his former GM Pat Gillick and former manager Tony LaRussa.

    Lots of nepotism in these new committees, and it favored Baines this time.
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    Maybe, but you don't get in with just 4 votes, so the work they may have done with the other voters must have done the trick.

    I am not arguing that he is well deserving, but even if he was a stat compiler, you still have very few players who can physically play at that level for that long to accumulate those stats. That is what most people gloss over so easily. Average MLB career? I'd guess 5 years or less probably, so why can't a guy who had 15-20 years and performed well in most of those years be considered one of the best that ever played? They don't have to be Aaron, Ruth or Mays level either, but better than 98% who played as well. I say yes. I am not talking Baines here either, but a handful of guys who had very nice careers and have remained on the snub list.

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    What a joke. Even Baines himself said he was in total shock.
    He was good but never great. No one considered Baines a Hall of Famer during his playing days.

    He was the ultimate stat compiler. He had 2,800+ hits, but only once did he have more than 173 hits in a season. He had almost 400 homers, but only once hit more than 25 homers.
    He received MVP votes in only four of his 22 seasons, and was never higher than 9th place.

    Worst of all, Baines never received more than 6% of the HOF vote. Now heís magically worthy, after 94% of voters said he wasnít?

    So why was he elected this time? ESPNís analysts say the main reason is because of the nonstop lobbying of White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who just happens to be one of the 16 voters, who also include Bainesí former teammate Roberto Alomar, his former GM Pat Gillick and former manager Tony LaRussa.

    Lots of nepotism in these new committees, and it favored Baines this time.

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    Baines' election is just frickin' asinine. Excluding closers, he's easily the worst player elected in the last 30 to 40 years. Blows away the elections of Blyleven and Sutton.

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    After hours of no understanding of what could possibly explain Harold Baines, someone else finally provided that. Everyone (not accused of steroids with over 2800 hits is in the HOF, same goes for over 1600 RBIs. So Baines crossed 2 thresholds that everyone who has crossed has made it.

    I feel like doing so much of it as a DH and taking 22 seasons, took away from the significance of these totals, but I wasn't voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhcook View Post
    After hours of no understanding of what could possibly explain Harold Baines, someone else finally provided that. Everyone (not accused of steroids with over 2800 hits is in the HOF, same goes for over 1600 RBIs. So Baines crossed 2 thresholds that everyone who has crossed has made it.

    I feel like doing so much of it as a DH and taking 22 seasons, took away from the significance of these totals, but I wasn't voting.

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    How in the world? Edgar Martinez has been fighting and clawing his way up the list as the greatest DH of all time and Baines gets in before he does? WTH?

    Looking at the list I thought that Clark would be the borderline guy they put in with Smith. Baines shouldn't have even been on the list at all.
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    Well those two were good players borderline very good at times during their career. WHAT A ****IN JOKE

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    I'm a big hall guy. Smith is borderline at best, but Baines is a horrible selection. One of the worst ever.

    A quick comparison to one of my favorite overlooked guys Dwight Evans:

    Baines:Right Field (74th):
    38.7 career WAR / 21.4 7yr-peak WAR / 30.1 JAWS

    Evans:Right Field (15th):
    67.1 career WAR / 37.3 7yr-peak WAR / 52.2 JAWS

    Average HOF RF (out of 25):
    72.7 career WAR / 42.9 7yr-peak WAR / 57.8 JAWS

    Dwight Evans is almost literally twice the player Baines was.

    WTF. seriously, WTF.
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    Paul Konerko: “There’s a lot great hitters in the Hall of Fame but Harold Baines is better than a lot of them”
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    Baffled Baines is in. George Steinbrenner got less than 5 votes? Did they hold a grudge for what he did in the 80s and early 90s or didn't like how he threw big time money to free agents during late 90s dynasty?

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