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    Fakey McFakerson ?



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    Looks pretty sketchy

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey12508 View Post
    Looks pretty sketchy
    Just the wording on the card next to the swatch is enough for me.

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    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F283334338023

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F382714585488

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F163482272599

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F163364360445

    A couple of examples and low numbering. There are a few more on eBay I question, just because all of my experiences with Prime Patches have been the wording on the card, next to the search window, match up with what the piece of material should be.

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    Just to add to the potential bogusness of the card. The patch, which is the 125th Anniversary patch, was worn in 1994. Nolan was retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott6649 View Post
    Just to add to the potential bogusness of the card. The patch, which is the 125th Anniversary patch, was worn in 1994. Nolan was retired.
    I'm not too concerned about that. If Spring Training uniforms featured the patches and Ryan participated as a coach or special advisor during that spring with the team or if during the season, Ryan was given an official looking uniform to wear in some pregame ceremony, then he could have worn something with that patch that season.

    This is the same reasoning when a guy who ended his career in the 60's has a polyester uniform swatch instead of wool or wool-like and people go nuts that the jersey swatch is fake when it's probably from a more recent old timers game or spring training that person was present at while wearning a modern fabric uniform.

    The biggest thing of fake to me is the proof a post or two before this that Panini/Donruss used "patch" wording on their cards in the year in question (2005) yet this card the OP is discussing says "jersey".

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    2005 Prime Patches was pretty specific with labeling their patches, I wouldn't touch that one.


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    Everyone should be questioning any game-used items by Playoff or Donruss/Playoff. The FBI investigation into fake "game-used" jersey sellers, story found here:
    https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...ticle-1.967758

    They mention BRADLEY HORNE as one of the key fake jersey sellers, and mention a card company was involved in buying these fake jerseys; but never said which company!
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    You'll need a magnifying glass (or your computer's magnifier) to see Brad Horne's name. But he's the seller of 10% of the FAKE jerseys for 2002 Leaf Certified like JOE MONTANA and JOHN RIGGINS (fake and fake!)!

    Plus I was stuck in the office with the ladies who hand cut jerseys at Playoff while they were still in the super cramped part of a small single story strip mall in Grand Prairie, TX (my first 10-days) before they moved to Arlington, TX. But this gave me the unique opportunity to see how card companies but jerseys early on.

    They had a big table outside the room where we were and about five jerseys were laid out on the table. There were two Daunte Culpepper (when he was still very hot) jerseys right next to each other. No one was in the hallway, so I took a close look at both jerseys. One had no tags and a little bit of dirt on it. The other was a brand new jersey with tags still attached. Then I watched the ladies during that day cut the TWO jerseys which were both put in the same bag. They were not separated in any way. They used colored backs for patch pieces on dual sided glued thin cardboard sheets that were pre-cut into 1" X 1" pieces. To save money, Playoff was getting two "game-used" jerseys for the price of one (if the one was really game-used as well).

    Collectors NEVER paid enough attention to the authenticity of game-used stuff and there's way too much opportunity for fraud since the only way to prove that a player ever wore a jersey is a very expensive DNA test (and they can be inconclusive too). Especially in 2001 when DNA tests were a fortune for one test.
    So why was I the VERY FIRST person to ever call a card company and ask for a Letter Of Authenticity that comes with nearly every game-used item? It turned out that the very first company I called (Pacific) WAS USI(NG NOTHING BUT FAKE GAME-USED JERSEYS AND THEY ADMITTED IT TO THE MLBPA! Then less than a month after I sent all of the evidence and tape recorded phone calls to the MLB Player's Assoc., they lost ALL their baseball licensing! This is what caused their bankruptcy in 2003 too btw! So now I had to question if Pacific EVER used real game-used items in any of their products in any sport!

    Who has called a card company recently asking for proof that a game-used expensive card you own has a copy of the Letter Of Authenticity for you to see to know for sure that it's a REAL game-used card?
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