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    Steroid Players and the HOF

    I saw a post on Twitter today referencing Barry Bonds and him awaiting enshrinement into the Hall of Fame. And the first thing I thought was, would he even attend? Bonds seems to have that type of personality.

    Do you think Bonds would show up if voted in? Do you think there are any other players tainted by steroids who wouldn't show if they got voted in?

    Has there ever been anyone who hasn't shown up for their induction that wasn't related to health issues?

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    He had the rep of being a **** head, it would stink if he showed. Going to see Mo get in, it would just not seem right JMO

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    If I were the Chairman of the Baseball Hall of Fame, I take a legitimate stand and come up with a litmus test to determine if a player is eligible for consideration. There is so much ambiguity when it comes to PED usage across the game that writers simply have their hands tied. MLB (Independent of the Hall) won't dare take a stand other than harshly punishing current players so it doesn't happen again. The litmus test would be as follows:

    1.) Has the player ever failed a test? If so, they're automatically disqualified from consideration on the ballot.
    2.) Was the player named in copious documents indicating pass steroid use? E.g. Mitchell Report, BALCO, Biogenesis docs. If so, they're disqualified.
    3.) Did said player voluntarily admit past usage at any point? Did they lie in front of Congress? If so, it's a no go.
    4.) Did the player ever intimidate witnesses or attempt to obstruct in the wake of any steroid allegations in order to clear their name? If so, good-bye.
    5.) If the player simply played in the era and does not fit the four standards set forth above, they are worthy of consideration. Players should not be held guilty until proven innocent under a cloud of suspicion. That's called Stalinism. No more kangaroo courts. The presence of evidence must indicate wrongdoing, not the other way around.
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    2.) Was the player named in copious documents indicating pass steroid use? E.g. Mitchell Report, BALCO, Biogenesis docs. If so, they're disqualified.
    The Mitchell Report was a witch hunt, this is he said she said with no proof. Juan Gonzalez was tainted because a trainer was caught with PEDS in a gym bag going into Canada. A one liner in a billion page report tainted a player.

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    Remember back in 2003 this was a hot topic.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...eroids-in-2003

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    I definitely think bonds would show up, he seemed to have a great time when the giants had him back this past year. I think his surliness has subsided a bit since he retired but even if it hasn't I think his ego would be too big for him to pass up the opportunity to try and "set things straight" on that stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nosterbor View Post
    2.) Was the player named in copious documents indicating pass steroid use? E.g. Mitchell Report, BALCO, Biogenesis docs. If so, they're disqualified.
    The Mitchell Report was a witch hunt, this is he said she said with no proof. Juan Gonzalez was tainted because a trainer was caught with PEDS in a gym bag going into Canada. A one liner in a billion page report tainted a player.
    Copious means numerous and not singular. The player would have to be named in multiple credible documents in order to ward off kangaroo court accusations.

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    Bonds will definitely show up. He wants the fame and attention and acceptance.
    The bigger question is, how many current Hall of Famers would boycott the ceremony? I don't think any would, but some will probably silently protest the election.

    There are most likely several steroid users already in the HOF, so they'll probably just keep quiet and keep their dissatisfaction to themselves.
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    Unanimous for Mariano! I have tears in my eyes and I'm not afraid or ashamed to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbone17 View Post
    Unanimous for Mariano! I have tears in my eyes and I'm not afraid or ashamed to admit it.

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    I LOVE Mo, my sisters and I all love the guy. My nephew’s middle name is Mariano. Still Barry and Roger are first ballot HOF players. These writers are ridiculous, giving them both praise throughout their careers with MVPs and Cy Young awards but not in The Hall? Without steroids there’s no 98 home run chase and baseball might be dead. They put in the commissioner who so proudly oversaw all of it and was fine with it. Bonds grew up seeing the media hurting his father and he carried that his whole life, I can’t blame him. You have David Ortiz mentioned in the Mitchell report, a guy who went from a scrub to possibly a HOFer but he was funny, people like him and so he gets a pass. Even ARod who I loved has had a whole change of character. He’s great on TV, dating JLo, very good on social media so a lot is the hate for him has seemed to die down as well. I’ll be interested to see how Alex and Ortiz do in voting, put them both in but only after Barry and Roger IMHO


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    Steroid Players and the HOF

    The whole Mariano Rivera being the very first unanimous HOF inductee proves to me the people who vote are the most completely biased, moronic and contradicting idiots ever.
    They start by saying a closer doesn’t belong in the HOF. Then proceed to unanimously vote him in. Now granted Mariano is and should be inducted. But the very first unanimous ever?
    You’re gonna tell me every player in the history of baseball, that not one player that has ever stepped foot on the field, not one player inducted in the HOF wasn’t worthy of a unanimous vote?
    I laughed when Greg Maddox wasn’t unanimously voted in.
    Griffey who could arguably be the only non steroid user in that era and one of the best center fielders, hitters of our generation wasn’t worthy?
    Think about this. Mickey Mantle. Ted Williams. Joe D. Clemente. Nolan Ryan for Pete’s sake who holds records that probably will never be broke. 7 no hitters. 5714 K’s. One of the best pitchers of all time.
    Rickey Henderson who in my opinion was THEE ultimate 5 tool player.
    I could go on and on.
    So they’re stating since the inception of the MLB on April 22, 1876, there has been NOBODY worthy until now, January 22, 2019? 143 years nobody until now.
    The Baseball Writers who vote need to do that, write. Take their voting rights away. What very little respect I had left for these voters is gone.
    Don’t get me wrong. Mariano deserves to be in the HOF. As does Hoffman at this point( all but 51 saves away). But the first unanimous. Cmon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trizzo22 View Post
    The whole Mariano Rivera being the very first unanimous HOF inductee proves to me the people who vote are the most completely biased, moronic and contradicting idiots ever.
    They start by saying a closer doesn’t belong in the HOF. Then proceed to unanimously vote him in. Now granted Mariano is and should be inducted. But the very first unanimous ever?
    You’re gonna tell me every player in the history of baseball, that not one player that has ever stepped foot on the field, not one player inducted in the HOF wasn’t worthy of a unanimous vote?
    I laughed when Greg Maddox wasn’t unanimously voted in.
    Griffey who could arguably be the only non steroid user in that era and one of the best center fielders, hitters of our generation wasn’t worthy?
    Think about this. Mickey Mantle. Ted Williams. Joe D. Clemente. Nolan Ryan for Pete’s sake who holds records that probably will never be broke. 7 no hitters. 5714 K’s. One of the best pitchers of all time.
    Rickey Henderson who in my opinion was THEE ultimate 5 tool player.
    I could go on and on.
    So they’re stating since the inception of the MLB on April 22, 1876, there has been NOBODY worthy until now, January 22, 2019? 143 years nobody until now.
    The Baseball Writers who vote need to do that, write. Take their voting rights away. What very little respect I had left for these voters is gone.
    Don’t get me wrong. Mariano deserves to be in the HOF. As does Hoffman at this point( all but 51 saves away). But the first unanimous. Cmon.


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    it just happened in football this past year. I think Randy Moss had his own induction ceremony at his high school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trizzo22 View Post
    The whole Mariano Rivera being the very first unanimous HOF inductee proves to me the people who vote are the most completely biased, moronic and contradicting idiots ever.
    They start by saying a closer doesn’t belong in the HOF. Then proceed to unanimously vote him in. Now granted Mariano is and should be inducted. But the very first unanimous ever?
    You’re gonna tell me every player in the history of baseball, that not one player that has ever stepped foot on the field, not one player inducted in the HOF wasn’t worthy of a unanimous vote?
    I laughed when Greg Maddox wasn’t unanimously voted in.
    Griffey who could arguably be the only non steroid user in that era and one of the best center fielders, hitters of our generation wasn’t worthy?
    Think about this. Mickey Mantle. Ted Williams. Joe D. Clemente. Nolan Ryan for Pete’s sake who holds records that probably will never be broke. 7 no hitters. 5714 K’s. One of the best pitchers of all time.
    Rickey Henderson who in my opinion was THEE ultimate 5 tool player.
    I could go on and on.
    So they’re stating since the inception of the MLB on April 22, 1876, there has been NOBODY worthy until now, January 22, 2019? 143 years nobody until now.
    The Baseball Writers who vote need to do that, write. Take their voting rights away. What very little respect I had left for these voters is gone.
    Don’t get me wrong. Mariano deserves to be in the HOF. As does Hoffman at this point( all but 51 saves away). But the first unanimous. Cmon.


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    I was kinda blown away by this last night as well. Saw someone point out that Edgar had to wait 10 years because he was “only a DH” but Mariano goes 100% first try?
    I’ve been calming down and thinking a little bit more rationally the more I think about it. I supposed the makeup of the writers themselves changes over time and can lead to changes in voting (ie getting a younger generation of voters, etc). Anyhow I try not to read too much in to percentages or to start over analyzing who “deserved” more votes. Astros fans commenting that Berkman isn’t a HOFer but “deserved” more votes. I understand the sentiment but it’s sorta pointless to go down that hole. Of course I also believe if he played in NY he would have gotten about 100 more votes than he did lol


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