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    Backdoored? Well you be the judge...

    I just posted this link in the 1999 BC International with no Serial# thread but thought it might be deserving of it's own post. I saw this sellers stuff a couple of weeks ago and was pretty amazed at what he has.

    Have a look and just keep scrolling...

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/leximo2/m.h...1&_ipg=&_from=
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    Leximo has had this printer scrap stuff for years. I don't think it walked out the backdoor of Topps, but the backdoor of the printer Topps used. Test runs/printer's proofs and uncut panels.

    A lot of us player collectors have bought his stuff for it's oddball appeal. No doubt it's the real thing - just not issued by Topps, but part of the production process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracecollector View Post
    Leximo has had this printer scrap stuff for years. I don't think it walked out the backdoor of Topps, but the backdoor of the printer Topps used. Test runs/printer's proofs and uncut panels.

    A lot of us player collectors have bought his stuff for it's oddball appeal. No doubt it's the real thing - just not issued by Topps, but part of the production process.
    Being out of the hobby for a few years I wouldn't have noticed this before and I certainly don't recall it before my hiatus. Either way though to have cards like this going back to the early 90's, wouldn't it seem that Topps is well aware of this and just doesn't care? To me it looks bad for Topps and their printing company either way. For player collectors I'm sure this is a great avenue for some nice oddities but it just seems rather odd that this one individual, unless I'm missing others, would have the bulk of this type of inventory.

    So again while I get the player collectors aspect I'm just not sure how I feel about this. I stumbled across his listings for the first time looking for Trammell and Whitaker who I personally collect but I didn't pull the trigger. And while I'm not about to critical be judgemental of any player collectors such as yourself or others wanting to add these cards to your collections in any way, it just doesn't seem very ethical and I didn't want to pad his pockets. Those were just my thoughts when I initially saw this. Will I pick up any? I don't know and I don't mean to come across as self-righteous and indignant but again I just didn't have a very good gut feeling when I saw this.
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    Yeah, he’s always had Topps stuff. It seems recently though he’s started getting Fleer products as well.

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    If you buy them knowing what they are (printer proofs) and he's not selling them as something they're not, I'm okay with it.

    I work in advertising and deal with printers all the time. So these types of oddities hold an appeal to me. I won't pay much for them, but I find some of them pretty cool. I do wonder if he received permission to take these materials. Seems like he held on to them for a long time, and started selling them about 3-4 years ago.

    I lump all this stuff into a pre-production category. Uncut panels, oversize margin proofs, separation proofs, no-foil cards, non cut die-cut cards, paste-ups, etc. Besides Leximo's Topps stuff, there are other dealers with DLP bankruptcy material. The most interesting of this stuff to me is cards that never were (paste-ups and digital prints of card sets / inserts that never were produced).



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    I for one like them. When you get to the point where adding to your PC is like winning the lotto. Adding these that you don't have is nice.

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    i bought some stuff from leximo always reasonable for what it is.

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    I think they are pretty great, so long as people don't start trying to add aftermarket serial numbers on them. But yeah - super excellent cards imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by gracecollector View Post
    If you buy them knowing what they are (printer proofs) and he's not selling them as something they're not, I'm okay with it.

    I work in advertising and deal with printers all the time. So these types of oddities hold an appeal to me. I won't pay much for them, but I find some of them pretty cool. I do wonder if he received permission to take these materials. Seems like he held on to them for a long time, and started selling them about 3-4 years ago.

    I lump all this stuff into a pre-production category. Uncut panels, oversize margin proofs, separation proofs, no-foil cards, non cut die-cut cards, paste-ups, etc. Besides Leximo's Topps stuff, there are other dealers with DLP bankruptcy material. The most interesting of this stuff to me is cards that never were (paste-ups and digital prints of card sets / inserts that never were produced).

    Brad, if you get a chance, post a pic of a regular version of that glove card. IIRC, it was die cut as a glove. If that's the case, your glove card you posted above is flippin' sweet! I'm a big fan of these sorts of things, though I personally like them as a standard card size, whereas you appear to be okay with them oversized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouschi View Post
    I think they are pretty great, so long as people don't start trying to add aftermarket serial numbers on them. But yeah - super excellent cards imo.



    Brad, if you get a chance, post a pic of a regular version of that glove card. IIRC, it was die cut as a glove. If that's the case, your glove card you posted above is flippin' sweet! I'm a big fan of these sorts of things, though I personally like them as a standard card size, whereas you appear to be okay with them oversized.
    Here's the card as pack issued. The proof card from leximo would have been cut from a sheet before it was die-cut. It was on the edge of the sheet, with the color density bars in the margins (used to ensure ink density is correct). 1997 Stadium Club Patent Leather insert.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gracecollector View Post
    Here's the card as pack issued. The proof card from leximo would have been cut from a sheet before it was die-cut. It was on the edge of the sheet, with the color density bars in the margins (used to ensure ink density is correct). 1997 Stadium Club Patent Leather insert.

    Yeah, that's right up my alley. I love having die cut cards that aren't cut like that. So wished Jose had a glove one like that but he wasn't known for his glove as much as he was his head!
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    I opened one box of 99 Bowman (for some reason) and iirc pulled 1 international refractor, but don't recall seeing a # nor is it in my 90s #ed bin. Some could have just been failed to stamp, Bowman quality control is much better nowadays.

    I could be wrong but will try to verify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JVHaste View Post
    I opened one box of 99 Bowman (for some reason) and iirc pulled 1 international refractor, but don't recall seeing a # nor is it in my 90s #ed bin. Some could have just been failed to stamp, Bowman quality control is much better nowadays.

    I could be wrong but will try to verify.
    VERY interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouschi View Post
    I think they are pretty great, so long as people don't start trying to add aftermarket serial numbers on them. But yeah - super excellent cards imo.



    Brad, if you get a chance, post a pic of a regular version of that glove card. IIRC, it was die cut as a glove. If that's the case, your glove card you posted above is flippin' sweet! I'm a big fan of these sorts of things, though I personally like them as a standard card size, whereas you appear to be okay with them oversized.
    I bought a 98 golden aniveresery no number not from leximo, just so no one could add a fake number to it.





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    Quote Originally Posted by joey12508 View Post
    I bought a 98 golden aniveresery no number not from leximo, just so no one could add a fake number to it.




    I think the no numbers are so bloody cool. Adding the numbers aftermarket just sucks!
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