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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sschauer
    And even more

    1978 Sportcaster trademark line 3 variation not sure if whole set or just for Rose

    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne
    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne A
    back copyright Editio-Services S.A., Geneva B




    I just found this one with a "C" in the trademark line. Date says 1979.



    Same card. No letter, but seems to have 1978 as the date.

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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dietdew
    Quote Originally Posted by sschauer
    And even more

    1978 Sportcaster trademark line 3 variation not sure if whole set or just for Rose

    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne
    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne A
    back copyright Editio-Services S.A., Geneva B




    I just found this one with a "C" in the trademark line. Date says 1979.



    Same card. No letter, but seems to have 1978 as the date.
    They were printed over three different years so you'll see some date 1977, others 1978, and the really tough ones, 1979. I'd only count the variation if it was different within the same year.
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel
    Quote Originally Posted by dietdew
    Quote Originally Posted by sschauer
    And even more

    1978 Sportcaster trademark line 3 variation not sure if whole set or just for Rose

    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne
    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne A
    back copyright Editio-Services S.A., Geneva B




    I just found this one with a "C" in the trademark line. Date says 1979.



    Same card. No letter, but seems to have 1978 as the date.
    They were printed over three different years so you'll see some date 1977, others 1978, and the really tough ones, 1979. I'd only count the variation if it was different within the same year.
    I'll have to group these by year then figure out the trademark lines. I was so excited when I first saw the "C" that I didn't notice the other differences until I took a good look. I wish more sellers would display front and back when they list these because I feel like such a dink asking a bunch of people to look up the trademark line on a $2 card.

    For what it's worth, the three cards initially brought up as variations by the Rose collector are 1977 copyrights if you check his site.

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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    I had the itch and bought 14 sealed 1986 Donruss Highlights sets over the weekend for $10 hoping to land a white letter error.

    So, speaking of it, does anyone know EXACTLY how the WL errors were distributed? Meaning if one card was a WL, was the entire set filled with them too? Or was it just a random WL error or two in a set?

    As a side note, for anyone with sealed 1990 Topps Rak packs (and perhaps Cellos), if you see a Jeff Juden card on top, more than likely a Frank Thomas is in that pack as well. Thats the pattern.

    I bought a HUGE lot of stuff and in it were 3-4 Raks with Juden on top and each one had a Thomas inside....corrected.
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    1984 O'Connell & Sons Ink First Series Variations. I'm making a best guess here, but what I think may have happened is that he printed the first series and then went back and started doing additional series. When he had finished, people started asking for complete sets, so he needed to go back and reprint the first series because they were all gone. At that point he decided to make some improvements. Almost all of the cards with a red background had the standard black print replaced with black print surrounded by a white highlight, a technique he used throughout subsequent series.



    For the Rose he even moved the name from the top to the bottom of the card and on the Minoso he removed the neck, moved the number and removed the copyright.

    Another variation was the background color. The Henderson and Boggs cards were changed from green to red.



    The final variation is from a color to no color at all. Maybe he ran out of ink? Not sure. I've verified this variation on the Strawberry and Murphy but there may be others.

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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    So this would be the 1984 O'Connell 1st Series Checklist with variations:

    PLAYER YEAR DESCRIPTION
    WILLIAMS,TED 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #01
    MINOSO,MINNIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #02 (black letter variation)
    MINOSO,MINNIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #02 (black letter with white highlight variation)
    KOUFAX,SANDY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #03
    KALINE,AL 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #04
    FORD,WHITEY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #05
    BOGGS,WADE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #06 (green background variation)
    BOGGS,WADE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #06 (red background variation)
    RYAN,NOLAN 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #07
    LUZINSKI,GREG 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #08 (black letter variation)
    LUZINSKI,GREG 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #08 (black letter with white highlight variation)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #09
    YASTRZEMSKI,CARL 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #10
    MURPHY,DALE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #11 (black & white background variation)
    MURPHY,DALE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #11 (blue background variation)
    COLAVITO,ROCKY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #12 (black letter variation)
    COLAVITO,ROCKY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #12 (black letter with white highlight variation)
    BRETT,GEORGE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #13
    MCCOVEY,WILLIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #14
    CAREW,ROD 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #15
    GIBSON,BOB 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #16 (black letter variation)
    GIBSON,BOB 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #16 (black letter with white highlight variation)
    YOUNT,ROBIN 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #17
    CARLTON,STEVE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #18 (black letter variation)
    CARLTON,STEVE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #18 (black letter with white highlight variation)
    KILLIBREW,HARMON 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #19
    MAYS,WILLIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #20
    JACKSON,REGGIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #21
    MATTHEWS,EDDIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #22
    MURRAY,EDDIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #23
    BENCH,JOHNNY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #24 (black letter variation)
    BENCH,JOHNNY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #24 (black letter with white highlight variation)
    MANTLE,MICKEY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #25
    STARGELL,WILLIE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #26
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #27 (green background variation)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #27 (red background variation)
    MARIS,ROGER 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #28
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #29 (black & white background variation)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #29 (orange background variation)
    ROSE,PETE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #30 (name on bottom/black letter variation)
    ROSE,PETE 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #30 (name on top/black letter with white highlight variation)
    RICE,JIM 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #31
    MUNSON,THURMAN 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #32
    ROBINSON,BROOKS 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #33
    VALENZUELA,FERNANDO 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #34
    OLIVA,TONY 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #35
    AARON,HANK 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #36 (black letter variation)
    AARON,HANK 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink Series 1 #36 (black letter with white highlight variation)
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    This variation is the 1987 Topps Sticker blue ink/black ink variation. I never paid much attention to ti because the Foil stickers always had black ink and the regular stickers always used blue ink on the back so I didn't think it was a true variation.

    However, what they meant was that the Foil stickers had a variation where most of the time they used black ink for the printing and other times they used blue ink. I'm seeing about a 10 to 1 ratio on stickers that I have.

    1) Regular Issue - with black ink
    2) OPC
    3) Hard Back Test Issue
    4) Regular Issue - blue ink variation



    Here is the checklist for the affected cards:
    PLAYER Year DESCRIPTION
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 OPC Sticker #148 Foil
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 Topps Sticker #148 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 Topps Sticker #148 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 "Topps Sticker #148 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    CARTER,GARY 1987 OPC Sticker #158 Foil
    CARTER,GARY 1987 Topps Sticker #158 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    CARTER,GARY 1987 Topps Sticker #158 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    CARTER,GARY 1987 "Topps Sticker #158 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 OPC Sticker #154 Foil
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 Topps Sticker #154 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 Topps Sticker #154 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 "Topps Sticker #154 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 OPC Sticker #163 Foil
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 Topps Sticker #163 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 Topps Sticker #163 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 "Topps Sticker #163 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 OPC Sticker #155 Foil
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 Topps Sticker #155 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 Topps Sticker #155 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 "Topps Sticker #155 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 OPC Sticker #147 Foil
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 Topps Sticker #147 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 Topps Sticker #147 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 "Topps Sticker #147 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 OPC Sticker #157 Foil
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 Topps Sticker #157 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 Topps Sticker #157 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 "Topps Sticker #157 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 OPC Sticker #150 Foil
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 Topps Sticker #150 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 Topps Sticker #150 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 "Topps Sticker #150 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 OPC Sticker #161 Foil
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 Topps Sticker #161 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 Topps Sticker #161 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 "Topps Sticker #161 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 OPC Sticker #149 Foil
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 Topps Sticker #149 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 Topps Sticker #149 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 "Topps Sticker #149 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 OPC Sticker #146 Foil
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 Topps Sticker #146 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 Topps Sticker #146 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 "Topps Sticker #146 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 OPC Sticker #151 Foil
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 Topps Sticker #151 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 Topps Sticker #151 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 "Topps Sticker #151 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 OPC Sticker #156 Foil
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 Topps Sticker #156 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 Topps Sticker #156 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 "Topps Sticker #156 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 OPC Sticker #160 Foil
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 Topps Sticker #160 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 Topps Sticker #160 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 "Topps Sticker #160 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 OPC Sticker #162 Foil
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 Topps Sticker #162 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 Topps Sticker #162 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 "Topps Sticker #162 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 OPC Sticker #159 Foil
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 Topps Sticker #159 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 Topps Sticker #159 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 "Topps Sticker #159 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 OPC Sticker #153 Foil
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 Topps Sticker #153 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 Topps Sticker #153 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 "Topps Sticker #153 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 OPC Sticker #152 Foil
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 Topps Sticker #152 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 Topps Sticker #152 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 "Topps Sticker #152 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    do the Donruss INC/INC. variations follow through to Diamond Kings? If so, I need to look at some '92s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel
    This variation is the 1987 Topps Sticker blue ink/black ink variation. I never paid much attention to ti because the Foil stickers always had black ink and the regular stickers always used blue ink on the back so I didn't think it was a true variation.

    However, what they meant was that the Foil stickers had a variation where most of the time they used black ink for the printing and other times they used blue ink. I'm seeing about a 10 to 1 ratio on stickers that I have.

    1) Regular Issue - with black ink
    2) OPC
    3) Hard Back Test Issue
    4) Regular Issue - blue ink variation



    Here is the checklist for the affected cards:
    PLAYER Year DESCRIPTION
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 OPC Sticker #148 Foil
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 Topps Sticker #148 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 Topps Sticker #148 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 "Topps Sticker #148 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    CARTER,GARY 1987 OPC Sticker #158 Foil
    CARTER,GARY 1987 Topps Sticker #158 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    CARTER,GARY 1987 Topps Sticker #158 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    CARTER,GARY 1987 "Topps Sticker #158 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 OPC Sticker #154 Foil
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 Topps Sticker #154 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 Topps Sticker #154 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 "Topps Sticker #154 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 OPC Sticker #163 Foil
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 Topps Sticker #163 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 Topps Sticker #163 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 "Topps Sticker #163 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 OPC Sticker #155 Foil
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 Topps Sticker #155 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 Topps Sticker #155 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 "Topps Sticker #155 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 OPC Sticker #147 Foil
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 Topps Sticker #147 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 Topps Sticker #147 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 "Topps Sticker #147 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 OPC Sticker #157 Foil
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 Topps Sticker #157 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 Topps Sticker #157 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 "Topps Sticker #157 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 OPC Sticker #150 Foil
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 Topps Sticker #150 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 Topps Sticker #150 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 "Topps Sticker #150 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 OPC Sticker #161 Foil
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 Topps Sticker #161 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 Topps Sticker #161 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 "Topps Sticker #161 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 OPC Sticker #149 Foil
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 Topps Sticker #149 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 Topps Sticker #149 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 "Topps Sticker #149 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 OPC Sticker #146 Foil
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 Topps Sticker #146 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 Topps Sticker #146 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 "Topps Sticker #146 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 OPC Sticker #151 Foil
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 Topps Sticker #151 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 Topps Sticker #151 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 "Topps Sticker #151 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 OPC Sticker #156 Foil
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 Topps Sticker #156 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 Topps Sticker #156 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 "Topps Sticker #156 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 OPC Sticker #160 Foil
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 Topps Sticker #160 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 Topps Sticker #160 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 "Topps Sticker #160 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 OPC Sticker #162 Foil
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 Topps Sticker #162 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 Topps Sticker #162 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 "Topps Sticker #162 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 OPC Sticker #159 Foil
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 Topps Sticker #159 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 Topps Sticker #159 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 "Topps Sticker #159 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 OPC Sticker #153 Foil
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 Topps Sticker #153 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 Topps Sticker #153 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 "Topps Sticker #153 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 OPC Sticker #152 Foil
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 Topps Sticker #152 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 Topps Sticker #152 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 "Topps Sticker #152 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    It is funny you posted this because I was about to start a thread about this. I have all of the Ozzie variations listed above but I was wondering this. Shouldn't there be an Ozzie Smith #46 with a black back? I don't have one and have never seen one. Wasn't the blue back the regular issue and the black is the rarity? Do you have one or does this combo just not exist? I need help!!

    thanks

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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzie22
    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel
    This variation is the 1987 Topps Sticker blue ink/black ink variation. I never paid much attention to ti because the Foil stickers always had black ink and the regular stickers always used blue ink on the back so I didn't think it was a true variation.

    However, what they meant was that the Foil stickers had a variation where most of the time they used black ink for the printing and other times they used blue ink. I'm seeing about a 10 to 1 ratio on stickers that I have.

    1) Regular Issue - with black ink
    2) OPC
    3) Hard Back Test Issue
    4) Regular Issue - blue ink variation



    Here is the checklist for the affected cards:
    PLAYER Year DESCRIPTION
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 OPC Sticker #148 Foil
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 Topps Sticker #148 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 Topps Sticker #148 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    BOGGS,WADE 1987 "Topps Sticker #148 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    CARTER,GARY 1987 OPC Sticker #158 Foil
    CARTER,GARY 1987 Topps Sticker #158 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    CARTER,GARY 1987 Topps Sticker #158 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    CARTER,GARY 1987 "Topps Sticker #158 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 OPC Sticker #154 Foil
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 Topps Sticker #154 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 Topps Sticker #154 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    CLEMENS,ROGER 1987 "Topps Sticker #154 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 OPC Sticker #163 Foil
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 Topps Sticker #163 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 Topps Sticker #163 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    GOODEN,DWIGHT 1987 "Topps Sticker #163 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 OPC Sticker #155 Foil
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 Topps Sticker #155 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 Topps Sticker #155 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    GWYNN,TONY 1987 "Topps Sticker #155 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 OPC Sticker #147 Foil
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 Topps Sticker #147 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 Topps Sticker #147 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    HENDERSON,RICKEY 1987 "Topps Sticker #147 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 OPC Sticker #157 Foil
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 Topps Sticker #157 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 Topps Sticker #157 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    HERNANDEZ,KEITH 1987 "Topps Sticker #157 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 OPC Sticker #150 Foil
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 Topps Sticker #150 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 Topps Sticker #150 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    JOYNER,WALLY 1987 "Topps Sticker #150 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 OPC Sticker #161 Foil
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 Topps Sticker #161 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 Topps Sticker #161 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    MURPHY,DALE 1987 "Topps Sticker #161 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 OPC Sticker #149 Foil
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 Topps Sticker #149 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 Topps Sticker #149 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    PARRISH,LANCE 1987 "Topps Sticker #149 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 OPC Sticker #146 Foil
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 Topps Sticker #146 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 Topps Sticker #146 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    PUCKETT,KIRBY 1987 "Topps Sticker #146 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 OPC Sticker #151 Foil
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 Topps Sticker #151 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 Topps Sticker #151 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    RIPKEN JR,CAL 1987 "Topps Sticker #151 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 OPC Sticker #156 Foil
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 Topps Sticker #156 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 Topps Sticker #156 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SANDBERG,RYNE 1987 "Topps Sticker #156 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 OPC Sticker #160 Foil
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 Topps Sticker #160 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 Topps Sticker #160 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SCHMIDT,MIKE 1987 "Topps Sticker #160 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 OPC Sticker #162 Foil
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 Topps Sticker #162 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 Topps Sticker #162 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    SMITH,OZZIE 1987 "Topps Sticker #162 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 OPC Sticker #159 Foil
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 Topps Sticker #159 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 Topps Sticker #159 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    STRAWBERRY,DARRYL 1987 "Topps Sticker #159 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 OPC Sticker #153 Foil
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 Topps Sticker #153 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 Topps Sticker #153 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    WHITAKER,LOU 1987 "Topps Sticker #153 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 OPC Sticker #152 Foil
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 Topps Sticker #152 Foil (black print on back/Made in Italy)
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 Topps Sticker #152 Foil (blue print on back/Made in Italy)
    WINFIELD,DAVE 1987 "Topps Sticker #152 Foil Hard Back/Test Issue (blue print on back/ No ""Made in Italy"")"
    It is funny you posted this because I was about to start a thread about this. I have all of the Ozzie variations listed above but I was wondering this. Shouldn't there be an Ozzie Smith #46 with a black back? I don't have one and have never seen one. Wasn't the blue back the regular issue and the black is the rarity? Do you have one or does this combo just not exist? I need help!!

    thanks
    Every one of the non-foil 1987 Topps Stickers that I have has blue print on the back. I don't think the black print variation on the non-foil stickers exists.
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel
    1984 O'Connell & Sons Ink First Series Variations. I'm making a best guess here, but what I think may have happened is that he printed the first series and then went back and started doing additional series. When he had finished, people started asking for complete sets, so he needed to go back and reprint the first series because they were all gone. At that point he decided to make some improvements. Almost all of the cards with a red background had the standard black print replaced with black print surrounded by a white highlight, a technique he used throughout subsequent series.
    Probably very true I've hear there were 50 of the first series variation made and 2000 of the regular ones that was from a source that talked to O'Connell directly.
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel
    Quote Originally Posted by dietdew
    Quote Originally Posted by sschauer
    And even more

    1978 Sportcaster trademark line 3 variation not sure if whole set or just for Rose

    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne
    back copyright Editionsa Rencontre, S.A., Lausanne A
    back copyright Editio-Services S.A., Geneva B




    I just found this one with a "C" in the trademark line. Date says 1979.



    Same card. No letter, but seems to have 1978 as the date.
    They were printed over three different years so you'll see some date 1977, others 1978, and the really tough ones, 1979. I'd only count the variation if it was different within the same year.
    So does each card only have 1 year or do I need to start looking for another variation the 78 date and or 79 date. Not sure I want the answer as it a pain to ask for so many back scans for a cheap card. :}
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sschauer
    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel
    1984 O'Connell & Sons Ink First Series Variations. I'm making a best guess here, but what I think may have happened is that he printed the first series and then went back and started doing additional series. When he had finished, people started asking for complete sets, so he needed to go back and reprint the first series because they were all gone. At that point he decided to make some improvements. Almost all of the cards with a red background had the standard black print replaced with black print surrounded by a white highlight, a technique he used throughout subsequent series.
    Probably very true I've hear there were 50 of the first series variation made and 2000 of the regular ones that was from a source that talked to O'Connell directly.
    Wow, only 50? Much rarer than I thought.
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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    Curious as to whether this Dunston RC "variation" can be considered a legit variation. Two years ago I picked up a whole mess of early 80's Donruss, which had around 25 Dunston RCs. A few of them, maybe 7 or 8, had that black "scar" mark just to the left of his name. I have no idea what I ended up doing with the dupes, I just have one copy of the "scar" and one of the regular. The fact that an unsorted lot (from multiple original sources) had a few makes me think it might be more than just a one-off printing mark.

    I remember reading about the Koosman "Half J" a while ago, didn't know I had one. Are they anything worthwhile?

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    Re: Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

    How about this?
    1999 Fleer E-X Rickey Purple variation (and the common orange). Wasnt there rumors or print that Fleer "messed up" on a small number of cards from this set by printing them with wrong color?

    Its listed on the bay now and Id like to verify the info.

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