Official Error and Variation Discussion/Reference Thread

MartinFFcollector · Jul 13, 2010

1991 Fleer

IIRC- The whole set has 2 versions.

Variations caused from the 2 printers used, most are minor- cropping,locations of the stat lines,missing dots,amount of white on back. Apparently one printer was used for wax and rack and the other was for poly bags. I have some listed below.
Avail in wax- … at the end (see #96 for example) and one . in poly-
Cards-36,68,96,99,103,144,155,166,376,396,439,540,564,568,600,658,668
Avail in wax . and … in poly. cards-126,567,652
In wax- more space between the final . in the text and the last word than the cards avail in polly. 1,81,89,111,112,132,145,180,205,282,307,318,319,366,381,394,404,405,428,435,484,581,582,583,602,607,635,638,641,648,691,699
10 Rickey Henderson A- More grass shows B- Less grass shows
17 Mark McGwire A- 6 lines of text B- 7 lines of text
86 Wade Boggs A- Helmet closer to top B- Helmet further away
96 Mike Greenwell A- No Color on ML totals on back, ends in walks … B- Color in ML totals,ends in walks .
105 Tim Naehring A- 7 lines of text B- 9 lines of text
113 Kevin Romine A- 2 lines of text B- 1 lines of text
117 Alex Fernandez- Red in scoreboard shows B- No Red in scoreboard showing
125 Ron Karkovice A- 2 lines of text B- 1 lines of text
327 Lee Stevens A- 7 lines of text B- 6 lines of text
388 Rod Booker A- No ’81 Orlando stats B- Has ’81 Orlando stats
395 Lenny Dykstra A- Len on back B- Lenny on back
410 Randy Ready A- Stat separation line has different placement B- Normal
419 Andre Dawson A- No ’76 stats B- Has ’76 stats
450 Ken Griffey Jr A- Bat .300 B- Bat around.300
466 Brady Anderson A- More chalk line showing B- Less chalk line showing
468 Juan Bell A- Seat Railings on left B- No seat railings
469 Mike Devereaux A- Text ends six B- Text ends runs
487 Joe Orsulack A- Full right shoe shoes B- Half right shoe shows
494 Mickey Tettleton A- More catchers mitt showing B- Less mitt
602 Rick Aguilera A- 5 lines of text B- 4 lines of text
662 Alvaro Espinoza A- Incl ’78 Walla Walla B- No ‘78 Walla Walla
666 Andy Hawkins A- Incl. ’78 stats B- No ’78 Walla Walla
670 Tim Leary A- More shoe showing B- Less shoe showing
693 Dave Justice A- extra period at end of text. B- Normal

Therion · Jul 30, 2010

For a long time Beckett listed this on the Darryl Kile checklist:

1993 Stadium Club Members Only * #12

It has since been removed from their checklist. Is there an asterix variation of this set or can I take it off of my list?

tribefan26 · Jul 31, 2010

MartinFFcollector said:
1991 Fleer

IIRC- The whole set has 2 versions.

Variations caused from the 2 printers used, most are minor- cropping,locations of the stat lines,missing dots,amount of white on back. Apparently one printer was used for wax and rack and the other was for poly bags. I have some listed below.
Avail in wax- … at the end (see #96 for example) and one . in poly-
Cards-36,68,96,99,103,144,155,166,376,396,439,540,564,568,600,658,668
Avail in wax . and … in poly. cards-126,567,652
In wax- more space between the final . in the text and the last word than the cards avail in polly. 1,81,89,111,112,132,145,180,205,282,307,318,319,366,381,394,404,405,428,435,484,581,582,583,602,607,635,638,641,648,691,699
10 Rickey Henderson A- More grass shows B- Less grass shows
17 Mark McGwire A- 6 lines of text B- 7 lines of text
86 Wade Boggs A- Helmet closer to top B- Helmet further away
96 Mike Greenwell A- No Color on ML totals on back, ends in walks … B- Color in ML totals,ends in walks .
105 Tim Naehring A- 7 lines of text B- 9 lines of text
113 Kevin Romine A- 2 lines of text B- 1 lines of text
117 Alex Fernandez- Red in scoreboard shows B- No Red in scoreboard showing
125 Ron Karkovice A- 2 lines of text B- 1 lines of text
327 Lee Stevens A- 7 lines of text B- 6 lines of text
388 Rod Booker A- No ’81 Orlando stats B- Has ’81 Orlando stats
395 Lenny Dykstra A- Len on back B- Lenny on back
410 Randy Ready A- Stat separation line has different placement B- Normal
419 Andre Dawson A- No ’76 stats B- Has ’76 stats
450 Ken Griffey Jr A- Bat .300 B- Bat around.300
466 Brady Anderson A- More chalk line showing B- Less chalk line showing
468 Juan Bell A- Seat Railings on left B- No seat railings
469 Mike Devereaux A- Text ends six B- Text ends runs
487 Joe Orsulack A- Full right shoe shoes B- Half right shoe shows
494 Mickey Tettleton A- More catchers mitt showing B- Less mitt
602 Rick Aguilera A- 5 lines of text B- 4 lines of text
662 Alvaro Espinoza A- Incl ’78 Walla Walla B- No ‘78 Walla Walla
666 Andy Hawkins A- Incl. ’78 stats B- No ’78 Walla Walla
670 Tim Leary A- More shoe showing B- Less shoe showing
693 Dave Justice A- extra period at end of text. B- Normal

I opened enough of both printer versions back then to have 6 or 7 sets - A couple of years back I went through them all and built both sets. The ones above are the obvious differences. In most cases the difference is best seen in the alignment of the Birthplace on the back and stat box. On version the end of the birthplace is usually above or to the left of the right line of the stat box - in the other it runs slightly past (to the right) of that line. I don't have it handy right now but IIRC I was able to determine both versions of all but about 5 of the player cards in the set.

Therion · Aug 1, 2010

Therion said:
For a long time Beckett listed this on the Darryl Kile checklist:

1993 Stadium Club Members Only * #12

It has since been removed from their checklist. Is there an asterix variation of this set or can I take it off of my list?

Anyone have thoughts?

SouthSideSluggers · Aug 3, 2010

Just got these in a larger deal...

DaClyde · Aug 28, 2010

I just noticed a variation today after sorting a bunch of 1992 Studio to add to Sportlots. There seems to be a difference in the application of the glossy coating on the front. The 'regular' cards have an even, all-over glossy front. The 'variation' only has a glossy coating on the photo and the blue-green diamond behind the Studio logo. The less-glossy version seems to be far less prevelant as I've got about 650 '92 Studio cards and only have about 6-7 cards with the less-glossy front. Can't really get it to show up on a scan, though.

There might even be a third type without any glossy coating at all. I have a Darryl Kile with no glossy coating on front.

----update----

Going back through the different cards, I found the following:

no glossy coating
39 Darryl Kile
79 Dale Murphy
169 Paul Sorrento
179 Alan Trammel

photo-only glossy coating
120 Matt Williams
200 Robin Yount
241 Julio Franco

rsmath · Sep 24, 2010

Does anyone know if 2008 Goudey has a confirmed variation with regards to base cards (1-200) green ink on the back?

I'm ripping 2008 Goudey retail now, and I notice some have nice dark green ink, while others are lighter green.

I haven't compared the cards of some duplicate players yet to a hobby box that I originally opened to see if the use of dark/light green ink is consistent for both cards or if a particular player can have one of each type of green ink.

KLARNOLD · Sep 24, 2010

Some good old 1988 Topps errors/variations, including the "black arrow" Glossy set send-away:

rsmath · Nov 1, 2010

rsmath said:
Does anyone know if 2008 Goudey has a confirmed variation with regards to base cards (1-200) green ink on the back?

I'm ripping 2008 Goudey retail now, and I notice some have nice dark green ink, while others are lighter green.

A scan follows of the Carlos Pena dark ink/light ink potential variation - the darker, bolder ink version to the left and the lighter ink version to the right. I don't recall which version I pulled from a hobby pack and which one came from a retail pack.

Do you think this is a variation or just poor UD printing quality control?

JoshHamilton · Nov 1, 2010

Not baseball, but a legitimate error that no hobby mag has ever known about or mentioned

DaClyde · Nov 1, 2010

JoshHamilton said:
Not baseball, but a legitimate error that no hobby mag has ever known about or mentioned

I'm not seeing it, what's the error?

---

Ah...His last name is misspelled....5 minutes of staring and I couldn't find that!

DaClyde · Dec 28, 2010

I found what is probably an undocumented, but uncorrected error in the 1983 Fleer Star Stickers set. #236 Neil Allen has a photo of what looks to be Terry Leach on the front.

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewCard.c ... cid/461986

011873 · Dec 30, 2010

Just making sure on this one.

The 1987 Topps Bob Rodgers manager card was never corrected to yellow letters on the back, right?

predatorkj · Dec 30, 2010

rsmath said:
rsmath said:

Does anyone know if 2008 Goudey has a confirmed variation with regards to base cards (1-200) green ink on the back?

I'm ripping 2008 Goudey retail now, and I notice some have nice dark green ink, while others are lighter green.

Click to expand...

A scan follows of the Carlos Pena dark ink/light ink potential variation - the darker, bolder ink version to the left and the lighter ink version to the right. I don't recall which version I pulled from a hobby pack and which one came from a retail pack.

Do you think this is a variation or just poor UD printing quality control?

Ink ran low is all. It happens on a lot of cards from a lot of sets. I have some of the documentary cards where one card is supposed to be the same color as another but they are literally two different shades. Its easily noticeable.

Be8el0ve · Dec 30, 2010

Here is one error card that Beckett does not recognize in their magazine and database. Under the 2007 Topps Update set listing, they list and recognize the card #312c as the Joba Chamberlain Houston Astros UER card. First of all its wrong to have it listed as an UER when there are many correct versions of this card. Did they ever wonder how the Astros name ended up on Joba's card? Well I believe there was a mix up during the printing process between Joba Chamberlain and the Hunter Pence card #160. Here is an example of both error cards.

To date I've only seen three examples of the Hunter Pence with the NY Yankeees name on it. I don't know how many actually made it out into bonus packs since there is correct version of both cards. Here is an example of those,

To date I've only seen about ten of the Joba Astros error card which leads me to believe there are a few more Pence error cards floating around. Either way, I think both cards are extremely rare and limited since 1.) you had to buy factory sets to actually get these cards in a bonus pack and 2.) there were probably not many error cards made.

Bornagaincollector · Jan 3, 2011

I'm aware of the silver version in these electric diamonds.But would you consider this another variation?The outfield on top is darker then the other one and the catcher's sleeve is missing in 1 of the cards.

Jack Straw · Jan 3, 2011

It looks the same shade to me ..

Hullfan · Jan 3, 2011

Not sure if these apply but I didn't notice them on the first post. 1984 Topps Variations head fully in box and not.

011873 · Jan 4, 2011

Hullfan said:
Not sure if these apply but I didn't notice them on the first post. 1984 Topps Variations head fully in box and not.

So what exactly is the story with these variations?

Were they in packs? sets? back doored scraps?

Jack Straw · Jan 4, 2011

They were back doored as sheets and cut down. Very rare issue though I know the Nolan Ryan collectors go fairly crazy for his card.

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