1999 Fleer Tradition Starting 9

nkdbacks · Aug 30, 2014

I've seen two Diamondbacks in the last 10 years or so - the Travis Lee that's up for $199 BIN, and then the Andy Fox I won a couple years ago.

I'd love to find more, but luckily, Fox is one of my favorite players from back in the day, so a $3 pickup was nice on that.

tenballer · Aug 30, 2014

Never seen either of the Chippers surface. #44 & #592 Anybody seen these?

shadowking86 · Aug 30, 2014

There is a Sandy Alomar on eBay but it is on BIN for $400.

SINFULONE · Aug 30, 2014

shadowking86 said:
There is a Sandy Alomar on eBay but it is on BIN for $400.

Yikes.

mrmopar · Aug 30, 2014

It really makes me wonder if all the cards that are numbered to 10 or 20 and less made in recent years will be as highly regarded as the 90s stuff in 20+ years? I realize that the print runs are probably lower on everything in general and the toughies are pulled quicker these days it seems, but I just can't imagine anyone willing to pay $400 for a #'d/9 card of a decent, yet unspectacular player like Alomar.

RStadlerASU22 · Aug 30, 2014

mrmopar said:
It really makes me wonder if all the cards that are numbered to 10 or 20 and less made in recent years will be as highly regarded as the 90s stuff in 20+ years? I realize that the print runs are probably lower on everything in general and the toughies are pulled quicker these days it seems, but I just can't imagine anyone willing to pay $400 for a #'d/9 card of a decent, yet unspectacular player like Alomar.

Sold Pudge for $400 just over a year ago... It went in minutes. Now the next one might not bring that or even close but some don't hit the market so some buyers are eager to cross it off

Ryan

nkdbacks · Aug 30, 2014

mrmopar said:
It really makes me wonder if all the cards that are numbered to 10 or 20 and less made in recent years will be as highly regarded as the 90s stuff in 20+ years? I realize that the print runs are probably lower on everything in general and the toughies are pulled quicker these days it seems, but I just can't imagine anyone willing to pay $400 for a #'d/9 card of a decent, yet unspectacular player like Alomar.

Good point, and I doubt it. They sell so high because if you want a Parallel /10 or less from that era, you have maybe a half dozen options. Now, you have 10x as many options. The market's just too flooded with too many similarly numbered cards.

1DogCollector · Aug 30, 2014

I know that I would feel comfortable paying $50 for a Lance Johnson Starting 9. I'm even considering buying a case of the 1999 Fleer Tradition if I can find it cheap enough to do a hunt for some even tho the rest is junk but it could be fun. Still can't find the odds on them tho.

bobthewondercat77 · Aug 31, 2014

mrmopar said:
It really makes me wonder if all the cards that are numbered to 10 or 20 and less made in recent years will be as highly regarded as the 90s stuff in 20+ years? I realize that the print runs are probably lower on everything in general and the toughies are pulled quicker these days it seems, but I just can't imagine anyone willing to pay $400 for a #'d/9 card of a decent, yet unspectacular player like Alomar.

It's funny to me how this always comes up as a possibility, even an unlikely one...

But the decrease in value of rare 90's items like Starting 9 generally isn't considered.

Suffice it to say that I think the Starting 9s moving more toward today's low-ish prices on modern /10 parallels is more likely.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer. Love this stuff though and it will be fun to collect regardless of resale value.

MansGame · Aug 31, 2014

I've never seen a Belle but I'd drop $100 on it in a heartbeat of that we're a Belle

Topnotchsy · Aug 31, 2014

Back in the 90's there were only a small handful of cards that were /10 or less. Because of this, those cards and sets became the focus for a huge number of collectors, driving demand and price though the roof. Today, with the endless parallels and low numbered cards, it is rare for a large number of collectors to care about any specific card.

Using the classic idea from economics that price is a function of supply and demand, the newer low numbered cards have far less demand than the old ones, despite the supply being the same for each individual card.

joey12508 · Aug 31, 2014

I got mine from a good fellow Bernie collector on here. only the second one I seen. almost lost in the mail.

Brewer Andy · Aug 31, 2014

Topnotchsy said:
Back in the 90's there were only a small handful of cards that were /10 or less. Because of this, those cards and sets became the focus for a huge number of collectors, driving demand and price though the roof. Today, with the endless parallels and low numbered cards, it is rare for a large number of collectors to care about any specific card.

Using the classic idea from economics that price is a function of supply and demand, the newer low numbered cards have far less demand than the old ones, despite the supply being the same for each individual card.

Truth. Factor in that player collectors of that era strive to be completists. Most modern collectors don't even contemplate trying to be a completist and those that try don't last long, it's just impossible. Nonetheless grab the new stuff when it breaks because while the price may start and remain low, if you want it you may not see again for years. That probably won't change. But there in lies the real fun

SINFULONE · Aug 31, 2014

mrmopar said:
It really makes me wonder if all the cards that are numbered to 10 or 20 and less made in recent years will be as highly regarded as the 90s stuff in 20+ years? I realize that the print runs are probably lower on everything in general and the toughies are pulled quicker these days it seems, but I just can't imagine anyone willing to pay $400 for a #'d/9 card of a decent, yet unspectacular player like Alomar.

I've wondered that too.I don't think today's parallels/inserts are as visually appealing like the '90s.

RStadlerASU22 · Aug 31, 2014

^^^ Very nice , there was a group of starts that hit over the last few months Jeter , Griffey , Piazza , ARod , Sosa , Gwynn etc. I actually thought some went lower than I felt they would . Another thing to factor in w/ old vs new parallels , with these players who played in the 80s/90s their card will usually be more desirable in their playing days vs cards after they retired.

I'd like to land a Clark someday

Ryan

gradedeflator · Aug 31, 2014

I consider myself pretty lucky. Picked up the #1 /9 Pedro Martinez for a $100 BIN about two years ago and added the second one recently for double that.

As far as Mike Piazza, if I remember correctly the #6 /9 came up on ebay 3-4 years ago. It was on ebay for a while with a high BIN or BO and I think it ultimately sold for $350-400, which I thought was too high. remarkably it popped up back on ebay recently and I was able to snag it at auction for a more comfortable price.

Cards look great in hand, but I'm a fan of old school paper cardboard and like it alot. I'm one of those guys that likes Bowman Red #1 /1 as much as superfractors. They are condition sensitive though.

enjoy!

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mrmopar · Aug 31, 2014

Remember folks, there was a time when even the hottest 90s inserts were depressed in pricing. I bought out a huger Belle collection in this time frame for pennies on the dollar and have some really nice, hard to find cards in that collection. People just weren't buying the way there are now at that time. t am not convinced that these new shorter print runs won't catch on later because eventually just about everything in lower quantities dries up and sits in collections or stores for a long time and you rarely see another copy. The longer the supply is dried up, the more desperate people become!

athletics07 · Aug 31, 2014

While I've had some luck with early '00's parallels lately, modern day low numbered cards will never compare to the '90's simply because of production runs. You could literally open cases and never pull a Starting 9. Player collectors and completists are a factor but today's releases are saturated with much lower production numbers - simply not as hard to find.

MansGame · Aug 31, 2014

mrmopar said:
Remember folks, there was a time when even the hottest 90s inserts were depressed in pricing. I bought out a huger Belle collection in this time frame for pennies on the dollar and have some really nice, hard to find cards in that collection. People just weren't buying the way there are now at that time. t am not convinced that these new shorter print runs won't catch on later because eventually just about everything in lower quantities dries up and sits in collections or stores for a long time and you rarely see another copy. The longer the supply is dried up, the more desperate people become!

Bought out a Belle collector! Whoa... Maybe I need the back story? Also any pictures you have

mrmopar · Aug 31, 2014

I used to collect belle, along with Thomas, Maddux, Gonzalez and a few other stars who were having great years in the mid 90s, when all the fun inserts were hitting the shelves.

I can't remember the guys name, but he was on several boards and was always selling lots of Belle cards. I think i neither asked him about his remaining stock or he listed it on ebay. I don't have anything scanned, but was just viewing some of the cards I put in top loaders the other day, as it had been buried for some time.

I'll have to dig it back out and scan some of the better looking cards for the 90s thread.

Do you have a want list anywhere?

MansGame said:
Bought out a Belle collector! Whoa... Maybe I need the back story? Also any pictures you have

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