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  • Rick Ferrell

    3 8.82%
  • Chick Hafey

    1 2.94%
  • Jesse Haines

    1 2.94%
  • George Kelly

    2 5.88%
  • Freddie Lindstrom

    0 0%
  • Rube Marquard

    1 2.94%
  • Bill Mazeroski

    21 61.76%
  • Tommy McCarthy

    2 5.88%
  • Ray Schalk

    1 2.94%
  • Lloyd Waner

    2 5.88%
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    I have taken the liberty of selecting ten of the least deserving members of the Baseball Hall of Fame. As perhaps you are unfamiliar with a great many of them, I have presented some basic information on each courtesy of the Hall of Fame's website.


    Rick Ferrell
    Catcher - St. Louis Browns, inducted by Veterans Committee (1984)
    A strong and durable receiver, Rick Ferrell retired having caught more games than any other American Leaguer (1,806), a record that lasted over 40 years. A defensive standout with a strong throwing arm, he had a knack for handling the knuckler, which was the out-pitch of four Senators starters. The North Carolina farm boy hit .281 lifetime and better than .300 four times during his 18-year career. Connie Mack's respect for him was so great that Ferrell caught all nine innings of the first All-Star game in 1933.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ri01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ferrell


    Chick Hafey
    Left Fielder - St. Louis Cardinals, inducted by Veterans Committee (1971)
    Although shy and reserved, Chick Hafey spoke loudly with his bat, overcoming several beanings, weak eyes and severe sinus problems to become an outstanding line-drive hitter for the Cardinals and Reds. When failing vision threatened his career, he resorted to eyeglasses and continued to hit at a torrid level, leading the National League with a .349 average in 1931. He strung together six straight years in which he batted .329 or better and equaled a National League record with 10 straight hits during the 1929 season.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ch01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Hafey


    Jesse Haines
    Pitcher - St. Louis Cardinals, inducted by Veterans Committee (1970)
    Jesse Haines was a durable right-hander and tough competitor who won 210 games during his 18 years with the Cardinals. By adding a knuckleball to his pitching repertoire, he became an ace, achieving 20 victories on three occasions and helping the Cardinals win five pennants from 1926-34. He authored a no-hitter against Boston in 1924, and two years later he defeated the Yankees twice in the World Series, tossing a shutout and the series-clincher.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... je01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Haines


    George Kelly
    1st Baseman - New York Giants, inducted by Veterans Committee (1973)
    George Highpockets Kelly was a slick-fielding first baseman who was credited by Giants manager John McGraw with "making more important hits for me than any player I ever had." Kelly enjoyed six consecutive .300 seasons and four straight years with over 100 RBIs while establishing single-season league records for chances, putouts, assists and double plays by a first baseman. Kelly helped lead the Giants to four consecutive pennants from 1921-24.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ge01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Kelly_(baseball)


    Freddie Lindstrom
    3rd Baseman - New York Giants, inducted by Veterans Committee (1976)
    Although only 16 years old, Fred Lindstrom hit .304 in 18 games at Toledo in 1922, and two years later became the youngest player to appear in a World Series game while with the Giants. Although he had a powerful arm and good range, hitting was always his forte. Lindstrom had seven .300 seasons and twice garnered 231 hits. Lindy's lifetime batting mark was an impressive .311.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... fr01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Lindstrom


    Rube Marquard
    Pitcher - New York Giants, inducted by Veterans Committee (1971)
    In 1908, the New York Giants paid a then-unheard-of price of $11,000 for Minor League southpaw Richard Rube Marquard. He eventually proved his worth by leading the team to three straight pennants (1911-13), during which he won 24, 26 and 23 games, respectively. In 1912, he earned victories in his first 19 decisions. Marquard no-hit the Brooklyn Robins in 1915, then was later sold to the Robins, helping them win the pennant the following year.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ru01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Marquard


    Bill Mazeroski
    2nd Baseman - Pittsburgh Pirates, inducted by Veterans Committee (2001)
    In 1954, 17-year-old Bill Mazeroski signed with Pittsburgh as a shortstop and was promptly moved to second base by the Pirates' Branch Rickey. Mazeroski eventually became one of the best defensive second baseman in history with a lifetime .983 fielding percentage. The 10-time National League All-Star led the league in assists nine times, fielding percentage three times and double plays eight times. A consistent batter, with 2,016 career hits, Maz achieved hero status in Pittsburgh's 1960 Fall Classic against the Yankees, when he became the first player ever to end the World Series with a home run.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... bi01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Mazeroski


    Tommy McCarthy
    Right Fielder - Boston Beaneaters, inducted by Veterans Committee (1946)
    Tommy McCarthy teamed with Hugh Duffy to form the Heavenly Twins duo in the Boston Beaneaters outfield of the 1890s. In addition to being a fine hitter with exceptional speed, McCarthy was a clever, daring and intelligent player who originated many tricks, such as trapping fly balls to fool opposing baserunners. A lifetime .294 hitter, he stole 109 bases in 1888 to help the St. Louis Browns capture the pennant.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... to01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_McCarthy


    Ray Schalk
    Catcher - Chicago White Sox, inducted by Veterans Committee (1955)
    A symbol of toughness and durability, diminutive Ray Schalk was among the first players to consistently catch 100 games per season. A defensive star, he led the league in fielding percentage eight times and putouts nine times, retiring with Major League records for games caught, putouts and double plays. He was also a superb handler of pitchers and was the first to catch four no-hit games. Schalk was also one of the swiftest catchers in history, stealing 30 bases in 1916 and 24 in '14.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ra01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Schalk


    Lloyd Waner
    Center Fielder - Pittsburgh Pirates, inducted by Veterans Committee (1967)
    Although Lloyd Waner weighed only 150 pounds, he was an all-around player who could hit, field, throw, steal and beat opponents in countless ways. Little Poison batted .355 in his National League debut while garnering 223 hits, the latter figure establishing a National League rookie record that wasn't broken until the 21st century. The Pirates legend hit over .300 in 10 of his first 12 seasons, compiled a career mark of .316 and accumulated 2,459 hits, striking out just 173 times in 18 seasons. A pesky slap-hitter, Waner was one of the fastest runners of his era in going from home to first.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ll01.shtml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Waner

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Ted Lyons. I always wondered how he even got in.
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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Although I know relatively little about him, I'm not sure how Bobby Doerr was hall worthy.

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    My apologies because I know there's a Doerr collector on FCB.
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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    You need to add several yankees to that list, Phil Rizzuto would start that list, obviously why it took til the veterans committee to get in. Many players have gotten in because of the teams they were on, not their personal accompishments or records.
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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by sheetskout
    Although I know relatively little about him, I'm not sure how Bobby Doerr was hall worthy.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... bo01.shtml

    My apologies because I know there's a Doerr collector on FCB.
    Three, actually.


    Besides being one of the best defensive second basemen of all time, he wasn't too shabby with the bat with a career OPS+ of 115.



    No offense taken, though.

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadHandle11
    Ted Lyons. I always wondered how he even got in.
    Agreed.

    So what's the over under on pages of this thread as soon as Ozzie Smith is mentioned?


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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by kdailey4315
    Quote Originally Posted by MadHandle11
    Ted Lyons. I always wondered how he even got in.
    Agreed.

    So what's the over under on pages of this thread as soon as Ozzie Smith is mentioned?
    Mentioned in the first one?

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Ted Lyons, Bobby Doerr, and Phil Rizzuto were all incredibly better than the ten listed in the poll.

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Bancroft
    Carter (162 game ave... 23 HRs, 86 RBI, .262 .... ho hum)
    Tinker (If your names in a song you must be great.... not!)
    Evers (ditto)
    Chance (ditto)
    Fox (162 game average.... 2 HRs, 54 RBI, .288)
    Gordon
    Hartnett
    Mazeroski
    Reese (Batted over .300 1 time.... at least Aparicio could steal a ton of bases)
    Rizzuto (extremely overrated, like many a Yankee)
    Sandberg (162 game average... 21 HRs 79 RBI .285, not HOF even if your a big guy playing a small guys position, Kent blows him away bigtime!)
    Schoendienst ( 162 game ave..... 6 HRs, 57 RBI .289)
    Slaughter
    Mantle (lol, he is the most overrated player in the history of baseball (tied w/ Jeter), but he actually should be a HOFer, but NEVER an All Time Great! ...in any sense of the words..... if you take the last 1/2 of his career ... not even close, lazy guy couldnt even run out a double, Bengie Molina the slowest player ever! averaged more 2Bs per 162 games than this overrated drunk hillbilly! ..... and dont give me the lame "injured" BS, if he can play CF, he can run)

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Rizzuto and Tinker would definitely head my list.

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    i have a problem removing anyone the veterans voted on. to me thats the way the hall voting should be.

    yet going with the theme i voted maz so much of his legacy is built on that home run. his run total, hit total, average, and rbi numbers were short. his glove certainly is the counter argument but if there is an argument should they really be in the hall?
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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by fkw
    Bancroft
    Carter (162 game ave... 23 HRs, 86 RBI, .262 .... ho hum)
    Tinker (If your names in a song you must be great.... not!)
    Evers (ditto)
    Chance (ditto)
    Fox (162 game average.... 2 HRs, 54 RBI, .288)
    Gordon
    Hartnett
    Mazeroski
    Reese (Batted over .300 1 time.... at least Aparicio could steal a ton of bases)
    Rizzuto (extremely overrated, like many a Yankee)
    Sandberg (162 game average... 21 HRs 79 RBI .285, not HOF even if your a big guy playing a small guys position, Kent blows him away bigtime!)
    Schoendienst ( 162 game ave..... 6 HRs, 57 RBI .289)
    Slaughter
    Mantle (lol, he is the most overrated player in the history of baseball (tied w/ Jeter), but he actually should be a HOFer, but NEVER an All Time Great! ...in any sense of the words..... if you take the last 1/2 of his career ... not even close, lazy guy couldnt even run out a double, Bengie Molina the slowest player ever! averaged more 2Bs per 162 games than this overrated drunk hillbilly! ..... and dont give me the lame "injured" BS, if he can play CF, he can run)
    Come on now, this post just makes you sound bitter. Hate the Yankees all you want and I'm pretty sure most Yankee fans also thing Rizzuto was overrated by at least the VetComm, but Mantle shouldn't be even included in jest. Take the last half of Griffey's career and do the same argument.

    My vote for Schalk. When the best thing you can say is "Schalk was also one of the swiftest catchers in history" the guy is out of his league.

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Ozzie Smith

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlecates
    Rizzuto and Tinker would definitely head my list.
    Again. Both Phil Rizzuto and Joe Tinker were miles ahead of anyone on this list.

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    Re: Whom would you vote out of the Hall of Fame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Levy
    Quote Originally Posted by jlecates
    Rizzuto and Tinker would definitely head my list.
    Again. Both Phil Rizzuto and Joe Tinker were miles ahead of anyone on this list.
    That's your opinion though. You can't ask for someone's opinion and just subjugate it with your list of 10 players.

    You asked "whom would you vote out of the HOF?" Many people here would vote Rizzuto out first, including me...

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