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    Went a little old school to find this but I just noticed juan pierre now has as many hits as Joe Dimaggio...
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyfan0417 View Post
    Went a little old school to find this but I just noticed juan pierre now has as many hits as Joe Dimaggio...
    While Pierre acquired 500+ hits, DiMaggio served for 3 years in WWII. Sure, DiMaggio had a cushy, cushy assignment...but missing his three prime seasons left him 500+ hits short.

    That said...Juan Pierre should be happy assuming he reaches 2500 hits.
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    Re: Could Juan Pierre be the 1st 3,000 hit member not in HOF?

    Quote Originally Posted by 200lbhockeyplayer View Post
    While Pierre acquired 500+ hits, DiMaggio served for 3 years in WWII. Sure, DiMaggio had a cushy, cushy assignment...but missing his three prime seasons left him 500+ hits short.

    That said...Juan Pierre should be happy assuming he reaches 2500 hits.
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    Re: Could Juan Pierre be the 1st 3,000 hit member not in HOF?

    I thought he retired years ago

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    Small(ER) markets. Not a power hitter. Little love.

    Juan was a great player for every team he's been on. He's been a reliable hitter, and (in the past) had great speed. At one time, I believe he was ranked as the fastest base runner in the MLB.

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    Could Juan Pierre be the 1st 3,000 hit member not in HOF?

    I like Juan Pierre, he is a local sports hero. He came into the store I help manage one time and every customer wanted to stop and talk to him and he was very nice about it. Although I do not think he is Hall of Fame worthy, I believe some posters are unjustly trying to attempt to devalue his stats.

    I understand the HOF debate as some people do not believe Dawson should have gotten in. If you dig into most HOF stats there would be a hole or two in what some would consider a Hall of Fame career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Pharis View Post
    Small(ER) markets. Not a power hitter. Little love.

    Juan was a great player for every team he's been on. He's been a reliable hitter, and (in the past) had great speed. At one time, I believe he was ranked as the fastest base runner in the MLB.

    Yeah, I don't think so unless your definition of great is not the conventional one. Truly great players don't play for seven different teams. A very good player? Sure. Great? nope.

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    Did not read the whole thread but I will say this....

    3000 hits or even 500 HR's these days on a resume of a player who is strictly a compiler, meaning they really never achieved team and/or individual success, never really achieved a level of popularity usually reserved for potential HOF candidates, and never really fit the definition of a 'great ball player' from a public definition, then the likelihood of a HOF induction is dwindling rapidly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzie22 View Post
    Yeah, I don't think so unless your definition of great is not the conventional one. Truly great players don't play for seven different teams. A very good player? Sure. Great? nope.
    Great has to do with more than just pure ability. Sometimes great is in reference to how they represent the team. I may just have missed it, but has Pierre ever really been a drama queen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Pharis View Post
    Great has to do with more than just pure ability. Sometimes great is in reference to how they represent the team. I may just have missed it, but has Pierre ever really been a drama queen?
    You can be a great teammate and a great person but that doesn't make you a great player. Also, Ty Cobb was a P.O.S by all accounts but he was a great player. I'm not sure how Pierre was perceived by his teammates or if her ever had issues but he will end up in the hall of very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzie22 View Post
    Yeah, I don't think so unless your definition of great is not the conventional one. Truly great players don't play for seven different teams.
    Hall of Famer Rickey Henderson played for 9 teams.
    Hall of Famer Goose Gossage played for 9 teams.
    Hall of Famer Hoyt Wilhelm played for 9 teams.
    Hall of Famer Gaylord Perry played for 8 teams.
    500 home run hitter Gary Sheffield played for 8 teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Hall of Famer Rickey Henderson played for 9 teams.
    Hall of Famer Goose Gossage played for 9 teams.
    Hall of Famer Hoyt Wilhelm played for 9 teams.
    Hall of Famer Gaylord Perry played for 8 teams.
    500 home run hitter Gary Sheffield played for 8 teams.

    Point made well. Not saying Juan is among those names, but point made.

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    I stand by what I said. Juan Pierre was a good player. Juan Pierre is/was not a great player, period.

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    Pierre hasn't started a game since the All-Star break.

    BTW, Jimmy Rollins should pass both Pierre and Joe D mid-next year, and despite [MENTION=2710]markakis8[/MENTION]'s fandom, is not a HOFer either...
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    Could Juan Pierre be the 1st 3,000 hit member not in HOF?

    Just a thought...for the negatives brought up in this thread about the guy he still manages to stay employed .. Which is impressive on its own.

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