maxe0213
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You do realize they got punished for the first round of cheating? 500 k fine on Bill, 250 k fine on Pats, Lose of either 1st rounder or 2and3.
Thats pretty hefty punishment. Will be interesting to see what they say now.
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Thats pretty hefty punishment. Will be interesting to see what they say now.
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MrMet
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Also I've been hearing something about the balls being checked at halftime, so if they were checked and found to be bad, were they refilled and then redeflated, or was nothing found at halftime....
This story just gets more and more confusing
This story just gets more and more confusing
A_Pharis
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They changed them out with spares at halftime.
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MrMet
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And the spares were deflated too? Or only the footballs from the first half?
A_Pharis
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Only those used in the first.
I say we get the Colts and Pats to replay the AFC Championship game on Sunday! There are two weeks and the championship game will be more entertaining than the Pro Bowl.
since you know the NFL won't do that, at least keep the Pats from drafting anyone in the next 2 years as a penalty so their team really gets stung for cheating.
I also feel there is a lot more cheating going on with the Patriots than what they have been caught doing. Thinking back to the graphic CBS displayed during the game, the Patriots have had a boatload of success on the field since Robert Kraft took over, more than I think any team would have in that amount of time. I can't help but think cheating that hasn't come to light under Kraft's ownership must be a big reason for that.
since you know the NFL won't do that, at least keep the Pats from drafting anyone in the next 2 years as a penalty so their team really gets stung for cheating.
I also feel there is a lot more cheating going on with the Patriots than what they have been caught doing. Thinking back to the graphic CBS displayed during the game, the Patriots have had a boatload of success on the field since Robert Kraft took over, more than I think any team would have in that amount of time. I can't help but think cheating that hasn't come to light under Kraft's ownership must be a big reason for that.
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Again, I did not say a single word about BB.
What the heck is with you guys and assuming by talking about topic A, I am talking about topic B.
See my response to homerun...
Nate Colbert 17
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I smell a "Special Investigative Report" in the future...
I smell a "Special Investigative Report" in the future...
I hear there is a ESPN Sports Science segment about it (heard it on ESPN radio so I didn't get to see the visuals or remember a lot of the facts. IIRC, other than for gripping the ball (QB or RB), the slight underinflation doesn't make a significant difference (given the same passing release speed or length of throw) to allow a wide receiver to have an advantage or for a defender to intercept or knock the ball away since I believe the difference between the two types of ball configurations was just one inch.
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MrMet
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If only the balls used in the first half were deflated the Pats still put up 28 points in the second half, and the Pats D still held the Colts to just 7 points all game....doesn't really seem like it affected the outcome of the game that much at all did it?
Nate Colbert 17
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As a Colts fan, I say we replay it on an old TECMO Bowl game...and Indianapolis gets Bo Jackson!
(Seriously...I think that's the only way we'll EVER beat New England.)
A_Pharis
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Cheating is cheating, regardless.
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MrMet
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But until (or unless) they can prove who did it, you can't be calling for all types of punishment. (And I don't mean you as in, Adam, I mean it as a collective of the posters in this thread) If the NFL can prove Belichek (sp?) ordered the balls deflated, or Brady for that matter, sure, max penalty, but what if it was an over zealous ball boy/Pats fan that remembered hearing Brady liked deflated balls better, and no one on the team had any idea about it? Or what if the balls had some sort of defect, why 11 out of 12, why not all 12, or only a few to lessen the chance of getting caught...
Of course, these are all fantasy scenarios, but just because the Pats got caught cheating in the past doesn't mean they definitely were this time.....
Or does it?
A_Pharis
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The NFL would probably say that it means exactly that. I've already heard FOX sports trying to throw Brady under the bus by saying it would have likely been him that ordered the balls be deflated and not Belichick. I am very interested if that angle turns into something.
joey12508
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did belicheck throw brady under the bus? if he doesn't know how it happened, then who?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24983664/shocked-bill-belichick-fully-denies-any-knowledge-of-deflategate
just watched brady's news conference lol, cant believe the nfl will let this drag out til the superbowl.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24983664/shocked-bill-belichick-fully-denies-any-knowledge-of-deflategate
just watched brady's news conference lol, cant believe the nfl will let this drag out til the superbowl.
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in the year of the NFL league office screwing up, why not let it drag out to the SB?
I just can't wait to see if Belicheck and Brady pay the fine to avoid media day because I can't imagine there will be many questions the media ask other than deflategate to those two.
Card Magnet
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The Patriots has a track record of controversy and a lack of class as it pertains to the sport. This is just a skinny chapter in the Book of Belidick.
u2me57
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I tend to agree with what Aikman, Brunell, and Bettis said about this. And the ESPN scientific segment was really telling. The QB and RB knew exactly which ball was the 1 that was deflated in the segment. QB said he could grip it better, throw it better, and longer. Bettis said he could hold onto the ball better, and it would be harder to strip. It's just hard for me to beleive that Brady didn't notice the deflated balls, that he prefers.
homerun28aa
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I completely agree with what you've been saying, it wouldn't have affected the outcome on that day as the Pats killed it anyways but that is 0% of the argument here cheating is cheating. I have no idea if Belichick ordered this, it's very very possible he wasn't involved at all or maybe knew about it but didn't order them deflated. But Brady saying he had no idea the balls were deflated is outrageous to me, he at least had to have known they were deflated if not participated in it in some way. I mean it's the AFC championship game at home a top 3 all-time QB (maybe the best ever) doesn't check-out the game balls? Give me a break.
lisu
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it's also really hard to deflate a football without having the needle, so someone had to physically do it. There's no way they just all happened to lose air. I'm sure a lineman or a backup QB was happy to do it for the Pats. I doubt it would have changed the outcome, but there needs to be more control around the footballs. It's cheating plain and simple but I doubt the Pats get punished.
