Getting a potential middle of the rotation starter and 3 other players for a potential closer is a good trade.
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Ken Giles & Jon. Arauz traded to Astros for Appel, Velasquez, Oberholtzer, Eshelman & H.Arauz !
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Getting a potential middle of the rotation starter and 3 other players for a potential closer is a good trade.
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PeteD
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hey, they can all pan out and help them win. i'm just a proven player vs. prospect believer for a team aiming for the playoffs.
just another element that makes baseball a great game. hell...i like the Phillies.
i was hesitant to see him traded but they are a couple of years away from needing a closer. Hopefully it all works out!
BowmanChromeAddict
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Giles is a stud. But I love this trade. As Tim said, the Phillies are a few years away from being competitive and Giles was a luxury for this team. After the Kimbrel trade went down the market was set and I think the Phillies saw that as a big flashing "Sell, Sell, Sell" sign. Right now the Phillies are hoarding potential pieces and I like the haul they got here.
predatorkj
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I'm kinda bummed we let Velasquez go. I enjoyed watching him here. We re-signed Sipp and honestly, I see his stats but he makes me cringe. I'd feel better if we got him out the door.
PeteD
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He lives! Long time no see Jim, hope everything is well with you and family.
Yeah it seems like a mutual win for both teams. Houston is going to be loaded for bear in 2016.
Therion
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I feel like you've mixed up Velasquez and Sipp. Velasquez was hit or miss this season. For the most part, Sipp was solid. I can only think of two games off the top of my head that Sipp blew and we took one of those games back.
predatorkj
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No, I meant what I said. Yeah, Vince was spotty. Vince was also young. I think he will be pretty darn good. Sipp makes me nervous. A lot. I feel more nervous with him than Gregerson. I feel like he throws a lot of pitches and gets exposed which is not what you need from a reliever. But, if we are being honest I'd rather have any of the bunch over Qualls. I like Qualls. But the old Qualls. Not the recent incarnation.
Therion
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Meh. Nobody scared me more than Oliver Perez. He was terrible.
u2me57
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Potentially a good trade for both teams. I think Giles will be lights out for the Astros and I'm sad to see him go. But 4 for 1 is pretty good for the Phillies if a couple of the prospects turn out good. But that's a big IF. Go Phililies!
gt2590
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Granted you Astros guys saw him ALOT more than me, but I would take Sipp 8 days a week!
Therion
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Me too. But he's not a closer. Great setup guy.
Zymco
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Derek Fisher out. Mark Appel in.
Also add Harold Arauz
Final trade. Phillies receive RHPs Vincent Velasquez, Mark Appel, Thomas Eshelman and Harold Arauz and LHP Brett Oberholtzer for Giles and Jonathan Arauz
Also add Harold Arauz
Final trade. Phillies receive RHPs Vincent Velasquez, Mark Appel, Thomas Eshelman and Harold Arauz and LHP Brett Oberholtzer for Giles and Jonathan Arauz
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Phillies killed it, officially. Great get with Appel. No idea what the Astros were thinking......
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Good thing Ruben Amaro is a first base coach.
Zymco
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Ben Badler of Baseball America thinks a lot of the 17 year old shortstop the Phillies included in the deal, Jonathan Arauz.
I really like arauz. He's really far away though.
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predatorkj
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I thought Appel wasn't doing so hot.
Therion
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Appel had a horrible year. I actually like this trade better.
gt2590
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