BA's Organizational Top 10 Prospects List Official Thread

BA has begun releasing their Top 10 prospects lists, starting with the A.L. East.

Below are their lists, their "Best Tools" per team, and the return of the "Lineup Cards".

Subscribers can read scouting reports for each player.


BALTIMORE ORIOLES
1 DYLAN BUNDY, RHP
2 HUNTER HARVEY, RHP
3 CHRISTIAN WALKER, 1B
4 CHANCE SISCO C
5 DARIEL ALVAREZ, OF
6 ZACH DAVIES, RHP
7 TIM BERRY, LHP
8 MIKE WRIGHT, RHP
9 MIKE YASTRZEMSKI, OF
10 JOMAR REYES, 3B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Chance Sisco
Best Power Hitter – Christian Walker
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Drew Dosch
Fastest Baserunner – Daniel Franco
Best Athlete – Pat Connaughton
Best Fastball – Tanner Scott
Best Curveball – Dylan Bundy
Best Slider – Tyler Wilson
Best Changeup – Zach Davies
Best Control – Zach Davies
Best Defensive Catcher – Brian Ward
Best Defensive Infielder – Jason Esposito
Best Infield Arm – Jason Esposito
Best Defensive Outfielder – Mike Yastrzemski
Best Outfield Arm – Dariel Alvarez

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Matt Wieters
First Base – Christian Walker
Second Base – Jonathan Schoop
Third Base – Ryan Flaherty
Shortstop – Manny Machado
Left Field – Mike Yastrzemski
Centerfield – Adam Jones
Right Field – Dariel Alvarez
Designated Hitter – Chris Davis
No. 1 Starter – Dylan Bundy
No. 2 Starter – Hunter Harvey
No. 3 Starter – Kevin Gausman
No. 4 Starter – Chris Tillman
No. 5 Starter – Wei-Yin Chen
Closer – Zach Britton

BOSTON RED SOX
1 BLAKE SWIHART, C
2 HENRY OWENS, LHP
3 RUSNEY CASTILLO, OF
4 EDUARDO RODRIGUEZ, LHP
5 BRIAN JOHNSON, LHP
6 RAFAEL DEVERS, 3B
7 MANUEL MARGOT, OF
8 MATT BARNES, RHP
9 DEVEN MARRERO, SS
10 GARIN CECCHINI, 3B/OF

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Garin Cecchini
Best Power Hitter – Rafael Devers
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Garin Cecchini
Fastest Baserunner – Manuel Margot
Best Athlete – Blake Swihart
Best Fastball – Eduardo Rodriguez
Best Curveball – Brian Johnson
Best Slider – Michael Kopech
Best Changeup – Henry Owens
Best Control – Brian Johnson
Best Defensive Catcher – Blake Swihart
Best Defensive Infielder – Deven Marrero
Best Infield Arm – Deven Marrero
Best Defensive Outfielder – Manuel Margot
Best Outfield Arm – Henry Ramos

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Blake Swihart
First Base – Rafael Devers
Second Base – Dustin Pedroia
Third Base – Xander Bogaerts
Shortstop – Deven Marrero
Left Field – Mookie Betts
Centerfield – Manuel Margot
Right Field – Rusney Castillo
Designated Hitter – Sam Travis
No. 1 Starter – Henry Owens
No. 2 Starter – Eduardo Rodriguez
No. 3 Starter – Brian Johnson
No. 4 Starter – Matt Barnes
No. 5 Starter – Joe Kelly
Closer – Rubby de la Rosa

NEW YORK YANKEES
1 LUIS SEVERINO, RHP
2 AARON JUDGE, OF
3 JORGE MATEO, SS
4 GREG BIRD, 1B
5 GARY SANCHEZ, C
6 IAN CLARKIN, LHP
7 ROB REFSNYDER, 2B/OF
8 JACOB LINDGREN, LHP
9 LUIS TORRENS, C
10 MIGUEL ANDUJAR, 3B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Rob Refsnyder
Best Power Hitter – Aaron Judge
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Greg Bird
Fastest Baserunner – Jorge Mateo
Best Athlete – Jorge Mateo
Best Fastball – Luis Severino
Best Curveball – Bryan Mitchell
Best Slider – Jacob Lindgren
Best Changeup – Luis Severino
Best Control – Jason Long
Best Defensive Catcher – Luis Torrens
Best Defensive Infielder – Cito Culver
Best Infield Arm – Cito Culver
Best Defensive Outfielder – Mason Williams
Best Outfield Arm – Aaron Judge

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Luis Torrens
First Base – Greg Bird
Second Base – Rob Refsnyder
Third Base – Miguel Andujar
Shortstop – Jorge Mateo
Left Field – Brett Gardner
Centerfield – Jacoby Ellsbury
Right Field – Aaron Judge
Designated Hitter – Brian McCann
No. 1 Starter – Masahiro Tanaka
No. 2 Starter – Luis Severino
No. 3 Starter – Ivan Nova
No. 4 Starter – Ian Clarkin
No. 5 Starter – Michael Pineda
Closer – Dellin Betances

Bill Ballew is clearly on something here. If only for the omissions of Guerrieri and Lee alone.....


TAMPA BAY RAYS
1 WILLY ADAMES, SS
2 ALEX COLOME, RHP
3 JUSTIN O’CONNER, C
4 ADRIAN RONDON, SS
5 NATHAN KARNS, RHP
6 MIKIE MAHTOOK, OF
7 RYAN BRETT, 2B
8 BRENT HONEYWELL, RHP
9 BLAKE SNELL, LHP
10 CASEY GILLASPIE, 1B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Ryan Brett
Best Power Hitter – Richie Shaffer
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Cameron Seitzer
Fastest Baserunner – Andrew Toles
Best Athlete – Mikie Mahtook
Best Fastball – Alex Colome
Best Curveball – Nathan Karns
Best Slider – Blake Snell
Best Changeup – Mike Montgomery
Best Control – Brent Honeywell
Best Defensive Catcher – Luke Maile
Best Defensive Infielder – Willy Adames
Best Infield Arm – Hak-Ju Lee
Best Defensive Outfielder – Mikie Mahtook
Best Outfield Arm – Taylor Motter

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Justin O’Conner
First Base – Casey Gillaspie
Second Base – Ryan Brett
Third Base – Evan Longoria
Shortstop – Willy Adames
Left Field – Mikie Mahtook
Centerfield – Desmond Jennings
Right Field – Kevin Kiermaier
Designated Hitter – Wil Myers
No. 1 Starter – Alex Cobb
No. 2 Starter – Drew Smyly
No. 3 Starter – Matt Moore
No. 4 Starter – Chris Archer
No. 5 Starter – Alex Colome
Closer – Jake McGee

TORONTO BLUE JAYS
1 DANIEL NORRIS, LHP
2 AARON SANCHEZ, RHP
3 JEFF HOFFMAN RHP
4 DALTON POMPEY, OF
5 FRANKLIN BARRETO, SS
6 MAX PENTECOST, C
7 ROBERTO OSUNA, RHP
8 RICHARD URENA, SS
9 MIGUEL CASTRO, RHP
10 SEAN REID-FOLEY, RHP

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Dwight Smith Jr.
Best Power Hitter – Rowdy Tellez
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Dwight Smith Jr.
Fastest Baserunner – D.J. Davis
Best Athlete – Anthony Alford
Best Fastball – Aaron Sanchez
Best Curveball – Aaron Sanchez
Best Slider – Sean Reid-Foley
Best Changeup – Jeff Hoffman
Best Control – Kendall Graveman
Best Defensive Catcher – A.J. Jimenez
Best Defensive Infielder – Jonathan Berti
Best Infield Arm – Dawel Lugo
Best Defensive Outfielder – Dalton Pompey
Best Outfield Arm – Jesus Gonzalez

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Max Pentecost
First Base – Mitch Nay
Second Base – Franklin Barreto
Third Base – Brett Lawrie
Shortstop – Richard Urena
Left Field – Dwight Smith Jr.
Centerfield – Dalton Pompey
Right Field – Jose Bautista
Designated Hitter – Edwin Encarnacion
No. 1 Starter – Marcus Stroman
No. 2 Starter – Daniel Norris
No. 3 Starter – Jeff Hoffman
No. 4 Starter – Aaron Sanchez
No. 5 Starter – Drew Hutchison
Closer – Miguel Castro

Jaypers said:

NEW YORK YANKEES
1 LUIS SEVERINO, RHP
2 AARON JUDGE, OF
3 JORGE MATEO, SS
4 GREG BIRD, 1B
5 GARY SANCHEZ, C
6 IAN CLARKIN, LHP
7 ROB REFSNYDER, 2B/OF
8 JACOB LINDGREN, LHP
9 LUIS TORRENS, C
10 MIGUEL ANDUJAR, 3B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Rob Refsnyder
Best Power Hitter – Aaron Judge
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Greg Bird
Fastest Baserunner – Jorge Mateo
Best Athlete – Jorge Mateo
Best Fastball – Luis Severino
Best Curveball – Bryan Mitchell
Best Slider – Jacob Lindgren
Best Changeup – Luis Severino
Best Control – Jason Long
Best Defensive Catcher – Luis Torrens
Best Defensive Infielder – Cito Culver
Best Infield Arm – Cito Culver
Best Defensive Outfielder – Mason Williams
Best Outfield Arm – Aaron Judge

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Luis Torrens
First Base – Greg Bird
Second Base – Rob Refsnyder
Third Base – Miguel Andujar
Shortstop – Jorge Mateo
Left Field – Brett Gardner
Centerfield – Jacoby Ellsbury
Right Field – Aaron Judge
Designated Hitter – Brian McCann
No. 1 Starter – Masahiro Tanaka
No. 2 Starter – Luis Severino
No. 3 Starter – Ivan Nova
No. 4 Starter – Ian Clarkin
No. 5 Starter – Michael Pineda
Closer – Dellin Betances

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Ncice List. Hoping Lindgren and Ref. start the season with the club. I really hope the Yanks make Severino and Judge untouchable.

Thanks for posting.

Jaypers said:

BOSTON RED SOX
1 BLAKE SWIHART, C
2 HENRY OWENS, LHP
3 RUSNEY CASTILLO, OF
4 EDUARDO RODRIGUEZ, LHP
5 BRIAN JOHNSON, LHP
6 RAFAEL DEVERS, 3B
7 MANUEL MARGOT, OF
8 MATT BARNES, RHP
9 DEVEN MARRERO, SS
10 GARIN CECCHINI, 3B/OF

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Garin Cecchini
Best Power Hitter – Rafael Devers
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Garin Cecchini
Fastest Baserunner – Manuel Margot
Best Athlete – Blake Swihart
Best Fastball – Eduardo Rodriguez
Best Curveball – Brian Johnson
Best Slider – Michael Kopech
Best Changeup – Henry Owens
Best Control – Brian Johnson
Best Defensive Catcher – Blake Swihart
Best Defensive Infielder – Deven Marrero
Best Infield Arm – Deven Marrero
Best Defensive Outfielder – Manuel Margot
Best Outfield Arm – Henry Ramos

2018 LINEUP
Catcher – Blake Swihart
First Base – Rafael Devers
Second Base – Dustin Pedroia
Third Base – Xander Bogaerts
Shortstop – Deven Marrero
Left Field – Mookie Betts
Centerfield – Manuel Margot
Right Field – Rusney Castillo
Designated Hitter – Sam Travis
No. 1 Starter – Henry Owens
No. 2 Starter – Eduardo Rodriguez
No. 3 Starter – Brian Johnson
No. 4 Starter – Matt Barnes
No. 5 Starter – Joe Kelly
Closer – Rubby de la Rosa

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Seriously? Wouldn't Travis Shaw would be a more logical prediction? Maybe someone got their Travis' mixed up?

Happy to see Swihart at the top though. I think Marrero is going to be solid for Boston, and I'm hoping Barnes too. Ranaudo should be in the mix though also and I think Webster could easily surprise a lot of people as he matures.

Jaypers said:

NEW YORK YANKEES
1 LUIS SEVERINO, RHP
2 AARON JUDGE, OF
3 JORGE MATEO, SS
4 GREG BIRD, 1B
5 GARY SANCHEZ, C
6 IAN CLARKIN, LHP
7 ROB REFSNYDER, 2B/OF
8 JACOB LINDGREN, LHP
9 LUIS TORRENS, C
10 MIGUEL ANDUJAR, 3B

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About time Bird started getting some love.

The Yankee list has seriously turned over these years. Austin not making the list after the injury and recoery year, Heathcott and Williams failing to fulfill their promise. Banuelos working his way back (and still quite young). No Jagielo despite the good yet injury plagued year. I think the farm is about to deliver.

I haven't gotten my A.L. Central issue yet, but BA has started releasing lists from this division today, beginning with the Tribe.

CLEVELAND INDIANS
TOP 10 PROSPECTS
1. Francisco Lindor, ss
2. Bradley Zimmer, of
3. Clint Frazier, of
4. Justus Sheffield, lhp
5. Mike Papi, of/1b
6. Tyler Naquin, of
7. Francisco Mejia, c
8. Erik Gonzalez, ss
9. Bobby Bradley, 1b
10. Cody Anderson, rhp


BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter for Average Francisco Lindor
Best Power Hitter Clint Frazier
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Mike Papi
Fastest Baserunner Greg Allen
Best Athlete Bradley Zimmer
Best Fastball Austin Adams
Best Curveball Mitch Brown
Best Slider Justus Sheffield
Best Changeup Adam Plutko
Best Control Ryan Merritt
Best Defensive Catcher Roberto Perez
Best Defensive Infielder Francisco Lindor
Best Infield Arm Erik Gonzalez
Best Defensive Outfielder Greg Allen
Best Outfield Arm Tyler Naquin

PROJECTED 2018 LINEUP
Catcher Yan Gomes
First Base Mike Papi
Second Base Jason Kipnis
Third Base Lonnie Chisenhall
Shortstop Francisco Lindor
Left Field Michael Brantley
Center Field Bradley Zimmer
Right Field Clint Frazier
Designated Hitter Carlos Santana
No. 1 Starter Corey Kluber
No. 2 Starter Trevor Bauer
No. 3 Starter Danny Salazar
No. 4 Starter Justus Sheffield
No. 5 Starter Cody Anderson
Closer Cody Allen

Here are the other A.L. Central lists.

CHICAGO WHITE SOX
TOP 10 PROSPECTS
1. CARLOS RODON, LHP
2. TIM ANDERSON, SS
3. SPENCER ADAMS, RHP
4. MICAH JOHNSON, 2B
5. FRANCELLIS MONTAS, RHP
6. MICKER ADOLFO, OF
7. TYLER DANISH, RHP
8. TREY MICHALCZEWSKI, 3B
9. COURTNEY HAWKINS, OF
10 RANGEL RAVELO, 1B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Tim Anderson
Best Power Hitter – Courtney Hawkins
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Rangel Ravelo
Fastest Baserunner – Micah Johnson
Best Athlete – Tim Anderson
Best Fastball – Francellis Montas
Best Curveball – Scott Snodgress
Best Slider – Carlos Rodon
Best Changeup – Chris Beck
Best Control – James Dykstra
Best Defensive Catcher – Kevan Smith
Best Defensive Infielder – Cleluis Rondon
Best Infield Arm – Cleluis Rondon
Best Defensive Outfielder – Keenyn Walker
Best Outfield Arm – Adam Engel

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Kevan Smith
First Base – Trey Michalczewski
Second Base – Marcus Semien
Third Base – Conor Gillaspie
Shortstop – Tim Anderson
Left Field – Micah Johnson
Centerfield – Adam Eaton
Right Field – Avisail Garcia
Designated Hitter – Jose Abreu
No. 1 Starter – Chris Sale
No. 2 Starter – Carlos Rodon
No. 3 Starter – Spencer Adams
No. 4 Starter – Jose Quintana
No. 5 Starter – Chris Bassitt
Closer - Francellis Montas


DETROIT TIGERS
TOP 10 PROSPECTS
1. DEVON TRAVIS, 2B/OF
2. STEVEN MOYA, OF
3. BUCK FARMER, RHP
4. DEREK HILL, OF
5. DOMINGO LEYBA, SS/2B
6. KEVIN ZIOMEK, LHP
7. ROBBIE RAY, LHP
8. HERNAN PEREZ, SS/2B
9. JAMES MCCANN, C
10. TYLER COLLINS, OF

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Devon Travis
Best Power Hitter – Steven Moya
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Jason Krizan
Fastest Baserunner – Derek Hill
Best Athlete – Derek Hill
Best Fastball – Bruce Rondon
Best Curveball – Kevin Ziomek
Best Slider – Jonathon Crawford
Best Changeup – Buck Farmer
Best Control – Drew VerHagen
Best Defensive Catcher – James McCann
Best Defensive Infielder – Dixon Machado
Best Infield Arm – Dixon Machado
Best Defensive Outfielder – Derek Hill
Best Outfield Arm – Steven Moya

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Alex Avila
First Base – Miguel Cabrera
Second Base – Ian Kinsler
Third Base – Nick Castellanos
Shortstop – Jose Iglesias
Left Field – J.D. Martinez
Centerfield – Devon Travis
Right Field – Steven Moya
Designated Hitter – Tyler Collins
No. 1 Starter – David Price
No. 2 Starter – Justin Verlander
No. 3 Starter – Rick Porcello
No. 4 Starter – Anibal Sanchez
No. 5 Starter – Buck Farmer
Closer – Bruce Rondon


KANSAS CITY ROYALS
TOP 10 PROSPECTS
1. RAUL A. MONDESI, SS
2. BRANDON FINNEGAN, LHP
3. SEAN MANAEA, LHP
4. KYLE ZIMMER, RHP
5. HUNTER DOZIER, 3B
6. MIGUEL ALMONTE, RHP
7. FOSTER GRIFFIN, LHP
8. SCOTT BLEWETT, RHP
9. JORGE BONIFACIO, OF
10. CHRISTIAN COLON, SS/2B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Hunter Dozier
Best Power Hitter – Chase Vallot
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Hunter Dozier
Fastest Baserunner – Terrance Gore
Best Athlete – Bubba Starling
Best Fastball – Kyle Zimmer
Best Curveball – Kyle Zimmer
Best Slider – Brandon Finnegan
Best Changeup – Miguel Almonte
Best Control – Christian Binford
Best Defensive Catcher – Cam Gallagher
Best Defensive Infielder – Raul A. Mondesi
Best Infield Arm – Raul A. Mondesi
Best Defensive Outfielder – Bubba Starling
Best Outfield Arm – Brett Eibner

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Salvador Perez
First Base – Eric Hosmer
Second Base – Raul A. Mondesi
Third Base – Hunter Dozier
Shortstop – Alcides Escobar
Left Field – Alex Gordon
Centerfield – Lorenzo Cain
Right Field – Jorge Bonifacio
Designated Hitter – Mike Moustakas
No. 1 Starter – Yordano Ventura
No. 2 Starter – Danny Duffy
No. 3 Starter – Brandon Finnegan
No. 4 Starter – Sean Manaea
No. 5 Starter – Kyle Zimmer
Closer – Wade Davis



MINNESOTA TWINS
TOP 10 PROSPECTS
1. BYRON BUXTON, OF
2. MIGUEL SANO, 3B
3. JOSE BERRIOS, RHP
4. KOHL STEWART, RHP
5. ALEX MEYER, RHP
6. NICK GORDON, SS
7. NICK BURDI, RHP
8. JORGE POLANCO, SS/2B
9. TREVOR MAY, RHP
10. EDDIE ROSARIO, OF/2B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Byron Buxton
Best Power Hitter – Miguel Sano
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Jorge Polanco
Fastest Baserunner – Byron Buxton
Best Athlete – Byron Buxton
Best Fastball – Nick Burdi
Best Curveball – Alex Meyer
Best Slider – Nick Burdi
Best Changeup – Trevor May
Best Control – Jose Berrios
Best Defensive Catcher – Stuart Turner
Best Defensive Infielder – Engelb Vielma
Best Infield Arm – Niko Goodrum
Best Defensive Outfielder – Byron Buxton
Best Outfield Arm – Byron Buxton

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Stuart Turner
First Base – Joe Mauer
Second Base – Brian Dozier
Third Base – Miguel Sano
Shortstop – Nick Gordon
Left Field – Danny Santana
Centerfield – Byron Buxton
Right Field – Oswaldo Arcia
Designated Hitter – Kennys Vargas
No. 1 Starter – Phil Hughes
No. 2 Starter – Jose Berrios
No. 3 Starter – Alex Meyer
No. 4 Starter – Kohl Stewart
No. 5 Starter – Kyle Gibson
Closer – Glen Perkins

Thank you for posting these list. Glad to see you over here. I hope you do not mind if I send you a message from time to time to pick your brain on prospects. Here are some of my takes from the AL Central lists:

Indians - I see a solid future lineup but I question if they have the arms in the system to really do long term damage in the division.

White Sox - It will be interesting to see if they can keep their top heavy rotation together.

Tigers - I am in on Travis but do you see any other system bats making any long term impact?

Royals - Love the speed and defense projected lineup but I am really surprised to see Zimmer projected as a bottom of the rotation starter below some of the other names. Is that due to injury concerns?

Twins - Should be a fun team to watch but in the projected rotation, I would have Meyer placed at the top of the rotation. I also do not see Rosario projected in the lineup, is that because he is blocked in the OF?

WCTYSON said:

Thank you for posting these list. Glad to see you over here. I hope you do not mind if I send you a message from time to time to pick your brain on prospects. Here are some of my takes from the AL Central lists:

Indians - I see a solid future lineup but I question if they have the arms in the system to really do long term damage in the division.

White Sox - It will be interesting to see if they can keep their top heavy rotation together.

Tigers - I am in on Travis but do you see any other system bats making any long term impact?

Royals - Love the speed and defense projected lineup but I am really surprised to see Zimmer projected as a bottom of the rotation starter below some of the other names. Is that due to injury concerns?

Twins - Should be a fun team to watch but in the projected rotation, I would have Meyer placed at the top of the rotation. I also do not see Rosario projected in the lineup, is that because he is blocked in the OF?

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See: Indians. I am OK with that. This is just my silly, dude who has no idea how real organizations are built opinion, but I am OK with this. I mean, I would love to have more impact arms in the system, but I feel like if you have depth at position players you can always trade for arms from organizations who have a surplus. I think the bonus to that is you can try to snag pitchers who are a little more advanced, and a little less of a risk. TINSTASPP is something I think about when I am about to drop money on a pitching prospects autograph as well...I like to wait until they are a little more along before I take the jump.

OscarOne said:

See: Indians. I am OK with that. This is just my silly, dude who has no idea how real organizations are built opinion, but I am OK with this. I mean, I would love to have more impact arms in the system, but I feel like if you have depth at position players you can always trade for arms from organizations who have a surplus. I think the bonus to that is you can try to snag pitchers who are a little more advanced, and a little less of a risk. TINSTASPP is something I think about when I am about to drop money on a pitching prospects autograph as well...I like to wait until they are a little more along before I take the jump.

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Truth be told I am not really familiar with TINSTASPP concept, other than agree with the approach from a card investment approach. I do still buy pitching prospect autos, on the low end, but for a personal collection POV history has shown in the market that chances are much higher of a value decrease even with all-star level performances with very few exceptions. Is TINSTASPP an acronym for something? From my little understanding, I am certainly open to listening more on the concept. How large of a sample before you take a jump? For the purpose of this thread, these are prospect lists. Looking into the AL Central division projected rotations, that is why I said the Indians likely will have on-going issues free agency not being a factor. The Tigers rotation has the established, high-level arms at the moment.

WCTYSON said:

Is TINSTAPP an acronym for something?

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Fixed. There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect.

Jaypers said:

Fixed. There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect.

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Do you know or understand much of the concept?

Great to see you as a member here.

Jaypers said:

Fixed. There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect.

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Ah, thanks! I was shooting from the hip on that one

WCTYSON said:

Do you know or understand much of the concept?

Great to see you as a member here.

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My understanding is that pitching prospects are pretty volatile in regards to future projections since scouting can only do so much for projections. Lots of variables can derail a pitchers career. So guys who are considered top prospects can flame out pretty quick. Two examples near and dear to me are Chris George (Royals) and Mark Prior.

This is not to say that this does not happen with position players, but with pitchers I guess there are just more moving parts.

As an Indians fan I seem to very rarely have pitchers who are big enough prospects to apply to. The team just does not do well with making starting pitchers. TJ House is seriously the most excited I have been about a homegrown talent in years.

On a related note: I really hope we don't get into an argument about this whole "There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect" ...I am not in love with it or anything, its just something that sure sounds good in my head...but I recognize it could be (and me), totally off.

OscarOne said:

My understanding is that pitching prospects are pretty volatile in regards to future projections since scouting can only do so much for projections. Lots of variables can derail a pitchers career. So guys who are considered top prospects can flame out pretty quick. Two examples near and dear to me are Chris George (Royals) and Mark Prior.

This is not to say that this does not happen with position players, but with pitchers I guess there are just more moving parts.

As an Indians fan I seem to very rarely have pitchers who are big enough prospects to apply to. The team just does not do well with making starting pitchers. TJ House is seriously the most excited I have been about a homegrown talent in years.

On a related note: I really hope we don't get into an argument about this whole "There Is No Such Thing As a Pitching Prospect" ...I am not in love with it or anything, its just something that sure sounds good in my head...but I recognize it could be (and me), totally off.

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Thanks for the post. I just wanted to understand a little more about the take on pitching prospects from your POV and I understood very little of the concept. I must say though, it makes a lot of sense with projections. I have never been shy with investing in prospect arms but have always done so with a quick get in and a quick get out approach. Now collecting pitchers for PC, I only hold established arms. I love collecting baseball cards but I love talking about baseball even more. I hope to hear more of your take in the future.

The A.L. West lists.


HOUSTON ASTROS
1. CARLOS CORREA, SS
2. MARK APPEL, RHP
3. MIKE FOLTYNEWICZ, RHP
4. VINCE VELASQUEZ, RHP
5. MICHAEL FELIZ, RHP
6. BRETT PHILLIPS, OF
7. COLIN MORAN, 3B
8. RIO RUIZ, 3B
9. TEOSCAR HERNANDEZ, OF
10. JOSH HADER, LHP

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Carlos Correa
Best Power Hitter – Telvin Nash
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Rio Ruiz
Fastest Baserunner – Delino DeShields Jr.
Best Athlete – Brett Phillips
Best Fastball – Mike Foltynewicz
Best Curveball – Lance McCullers Jr.
Best Slider – Mark Appel
Best Changeup – Vince Velasquez
Best Control – Brady Rodgers
Best Defensive Catcher – Roberto Pena
Best Defensive Infielder – Carlos Correa
Best Infield Arm – Carlos Correa
Best Defensive Outfielder – Brett Phillips
Best Outfield Arm – Brett Phillips

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Jason Castro
First Base – Jon Singleton
Second Base – Jose Altuve
Shortstop – Carlos Correa
Third Base – Colin Moran
Left Field – George Springer
Centerfield – Brett Phillips
Right Field – Teoscar Hernandez
Designated Hitter – A.J. Reed
No. 1 Starter – Mark Appel
No. 2 Starter – Vince Velasquez
No. 3 Starter – Michael Feliz
No. 4 Starter – Dallas Keuchel
No. 5 Starter – Josh Hader
Closer - Mike Foltynewicz



LOS ANGELES ANGELS
1. SEAN NEWCOMB, LHP
2. RICARDO SANCHEZ, LHP
3. CAM BEDROSIAN, RHP
4. CHRIS ELLIS, RHP
5. JOE GATTO, RHP
6. VICTOR ALCANTARA, RHP
7. JAIRO DIAZ, RHP
8. ALEX YARBROUGH, 2B
9. NICK TROPEANO, RHP
10. KYLE MCGOWIN, RHP

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Alex Yarbrough
Best Power Hitter – Fran Whitten
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Cal Towey
Fastest Baserunner – Ayendy Perez
Best Athlete – Eric Stamets
Best Fastball – Jairo Diaz
Best Curveball – Sean Newcomb
Best Slider – Kyle McGowin
Best Changeup – Nate Smith
Best Control – Nate Smith
Best Defensive Catcher – Jett Bandy
Best Defensive Infielder – Eric Stamets
Best Infield Arm – Kaleb Cowart
Best Defensive Outfielder – Chad Hinshaw
Best Outfield Arm – Ranyelmy Mendoza

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Chris Iannetta
First Base – C.J. Cron
Second Base – Alex Yarbrough
Third Base – David Freese
Shortstop – Erick Aybar
Left Field – Josh Hamilton
Centerfield – Mike Trout
Right Field – Kole Calhoun
Designated Hitter – Albert Pujols
No. 1 Starter – Garrett Richards
No. 2 Starter – Jered Weaver
No. 3 Starter – Sean Newcomb
No. 4 Starter – Tyler Skaggs
No. 5 Starter – Matt Shoemaker
Closer – Cam Bedrosian



OAKLAND ATHLETICS
1. DANIEL ROBERTSON, SS
2. MATT OLSON, 1B
3. MATT CHAPMAN, 3B
4. RENATO NUNEZ, 3B
5. DILLON OVERTON, LHP
6. RAUL ALCANTARA, RHP
7. CHAD PINDER, 2B/SS
8. MAX MUNCY, 1B/3B
9. SETH STREICH, RHP
10. DANIEL GOSSETT, RHP

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Daniel Robertson
Best Power Hitter – Matt Olson
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Max Muncy
Fastest Baserunner – Billy Burns
Best Athlete – Yairo Munoz
Best Fastball – Bobby Wahl
Best Curveball – Dylan Covey
Best Slider – Daniel Gossett
Best Changeup – Dillon Overton
Best Control – Dillon Overton
Best Defensive Catcher – Iolana Akau
Best Defensive Infielder – Matt Chapman
Best Infield Arm – Matt Chapman
Best Defensive Outfielder – Billy Burns
Best Outfield Arm – Tyler Marincov

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Derek Norris
First Base – Renato Nunez
Second Base – Chad Pinder
Third Base – Matt Chapman
Shortstop – Daniel Robertson
Left Field – Matt Olson
Centerfield – Craig Gentry
Right Field – Josh Reddick
Designated Hitter – Josh Donaldson
No. 1 Starter – Sonny Gray
No. 2 Starter – Jeff Samardzija
No. 3 Starter – Jarrod Parker
No. 4 Starter – Dillon Overton
No. 5 Starter – Raul Ancantara
Closer - Sean Doolittle



SEATTLE MARINERS
1. ALEX JACKSON, OF
2. D.J. PETERSON, 1B/3B
3. KETEL MARTE, SS/2B
4. PATRICK KIVLEHAN, 3B/1B
5. AUSTIN WILSON, OF
6. EDWIN DIAZ, RHP
7. GABBY GUERRERO, OF
8. LUIZ GOHARA, LHP
9. RYAN YARBROUGH, LHP
10. CARSON SMITH, RHP

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Alex Jackson
Best Power Hitter – D.J. Peterson
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Aaron Barbosa
Fastest Baserunner – Aaron Barbosa
Best Athlete – Patrick Kivlehan
Best Fastball – Edwin Diaz
Best Curveball – Matt Anderson
Best Slider – Carson Smith
Best Changeup – Ryan Yarbrough
Best Control – Daniel Missaki
Best Defensive Catcher – Steve Baron
Best Defensive Infielder – Rayder Ascanio
Best Infield Arm – Joe DeCarlo
Best Defensive Outfielder – Austin Cousino
Best Outfield Arm – Gabby Guerrero

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Mike Zunino
First Base – D.J. Peterson
Second Base – Robinson Cano
Third Base – Kyle Seager
Shortstop – Chris Taylor
Left Field – Dustin Ackley
Centerfield – Ketel Marte
Right Field – Alex Jackson
Designated Hitter – Patrick Kivlehan
No. 1 Starter – Felix Hernandez
No. 2 Starter – James Paxton
No. 3 Starter – Taijuan Walker
No. 4 Starter – Hisashi Iwakuma
No. 5 Starter – Roenis Elias
Closer – Carson Smith



TEXAS RANGERS
1. JOEY GALLO, 3B
2. JAKE THOMPSON, RHP
3. JORGE ALFARO, C
4. NOMAR MAZARA, OF
5. NICK WILLIAMS OF
6. ALEX GONZALEZ RHP
7. LUIS SARDINAS SS/2B
8. RYAN RUA, OF/3B
9. LUIS ORTIZ, RHP
10. JOSH MORGAN, SS/2B

BEST TOOLS
Best Hitter For Average – Ryan Rua
Best Power Hitter – Joey Gallo
Best Strike-Zone Discipline – Josh Morgan
Fastest Baserunner – Chris Garia
Best Athlete – Lewis Brinson
Best Fastball – Keone Kela
Best Curveball – Corey Knebel
Best Slider – Jake Thompson
Best Changeup – Alex Claudio
Best Control – Alec Asher
Best Defensive Catcher – Pat Cantwell
Best Defensive Infielder – Hanser Alberto
Best Infield Arm – Joey Gallo
Best Defensive Outfielder – Lewis Brinson
Best Outfield Arm – Jairo Beras

2018 LINEUP –
Catcher – Jorge Alfaro
First Base – Prince Fielder
Second Base – Rougned Odor
Third Base – Joey Gallo
Shortstop – Elvis Andrus
Left Field – Nick Williams
Centerfield – Leonys Martin
Right Field – Nomar Mazara
Designated Hitter – Shin Soo-Choo
No. 1 Starter – Yu Darvish
No. 2 Starter – Derek Holland
No. 3 Starter – Jake Thompson
No. 4 Starter – Martin Perez
No. 5 Starter – Alex Gonzalez
Closer – Keone Kela