Which would you rather?

mouschi · Nov 2, 2016

As a player collector, I'm constantly on the hunt for rare cards I don't have. Sometimes, I'll run into proof/backdoored/replacement cards of serial #'ed cards that don't have the serial number.

Let say you run into a the 1998 Donruss Crusade red card. The regular version which is #'ed to /25 or one that is missing the serial number? The odds are likely that the un-numbered version is probably considerably rarer.

One is recognized by Beckett as rare where the other version is not recognized.

Which would you rather own?

patrick182 · Nov 2, 2016

For something as gnarly as a Crusade Red, I don't think it would matter.

It's like catching Bigfoot and realizing he only has 4 fingers on one hand. It wouldn't matter in the slightest.

mouschi · Nov 2, 2016

patrick182 said:
For something as gnarly as a Crusade Red, I don't think it would matter.

It's like catching Bigfoot and realizing he only has 4 fingers on one hand. It wouldn't matter in the slightest.

Haha - Very well said!

Mark70Z · Nov 2, 2016

Rather - non serial number

mouschi said:
As a player collector, I'm constantly on the hunt for rare cards I don't have. Sometimes, I'll run into proof/backdoored/replacement cards of serial #'ed cards that don't have the serial number.

Let say you run into a the 1998 Donruss Crusade red card. The regular version which is #'ed to /25 or one that is missing the serial number? The odds are likely that the un-numbered version is probably considerably rarer.

One is recognized by Beckett as rare where the other version is not recognized.

Which would you rather own?

As a player collector I'd personally rather own the card that is missing the serial number. Don't really care if some company doesn't recognize it. Remember there are still 25 of the same cards out there to search for...

maestracewslover · Nov 2, 2016

I would like the numbered one. I think its just the legitimacy factor. What happens if 50 more unnumbered reds come out? With the legitimate card you will not have the worry. None of us know how many of these backdoor cards were put into the marketplace. Thats just my opinion and im sure there are lots who would want the unnumbered instead.

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Fandruw25 · Nov 2, 2016

I have both versions and I prefer the one that is numbered.

George_Calfas · Nov 2, 2016

Pack inserted, I know that the sheet cut or replacement items are more rare but they are just fillers in the event you are missing the Real-Deal Holyfield

Juan Gris · Nov 2, 2016

Does this have anything to do with the 1999 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor unnumbered Proofs that were listed the other day... I saw someone snatched up the Canseco and Dunn versions already.

RStadlerASU22 · Nov 2, 2016

Juan Gris said:
Does this have anything to do with the 1999 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor unnumbered Proofs that were listed the other day... I saw someone snatched up the Canseco and Dunn versions already.

Looks like the Clark was listed and sold too. I never saw it while live, but would have been interested at $100. My answer to the collection is serial # one is preference. I would / have paid decent money for the the serial numbered Gold Ref, Star Rubies and some of the other items where the unnumbered has been offered. My "I'd buy the unnumbered one" percentage would be like 25% of the pack issued. And although the Clark 98 BChrome GAR /5 wasn't one of the players cut from that sheet, I know I'd pay like 10% of what I would for pack one.

Ryan

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Brewer Andy · Nov 2, 2016

I'm mostly interested in the cards that were made to be collected (i.e. came out of a pack) vs a replacement/backdoor/whoknows. Not to say those things can't be collectable, I personally just have little to no interest in them whatsoever. I would always want an upgrade to what my brain considers "the real thing" anyway. That may be weird to some I know, just preference

JVHaste · Nov 2, 2016

I'd probably rather have the numbers but its close. Roughly 15% of my Crusades are unnumbered iirc.... strange I haven't looked at them in a while, perhaps its the side effects of pure bliss and temporary blindness :ugeek: Phils site for Crusades is gone for good?

Last I checked boxes of 98 Donruss (which has the Canseco along with Griffey and Ripken) still seems to be a good deal for a high end gambling potential.

BiggioBrooks755 · Nov 2, 2016

#ed one all day

Gjb70 · Nov 2, 2016

That would be a tough call for me. I recently picked red, purple and green unnumbered Belle cards, but the reason I really wanted them was because they were the regular crusades design, as opposed to his CTA cards. I didn't pay much more for all 3 than I paid for the red /25, and if I had to choose between the 2 reds, I would probably only choose the numbered version because I would still hold out hope another would surface one day. Plus the fact that the unnumbered red has a refractor line. I also wouldn't be incredibly surprised if other unnumbered versions pop up in the future.

athletics07 · Nov 2, 2016

I like both! Though, I prefer those that were factory cut (damage replacement) vs. sheet cut. Sheet cuts tend to haunt Fleer/Flair and more recently chrome releases. It seems most Upper Deck NNO's did not originate as an after market sheet.

athletics07 · Nov 2, 2016

Gjb70 said:
That would be a tough call for me. I recently picked red, purple and green unnumbered Belle cards, but the reason I really wanted them was because they were the regular crusades design, as opposed to his CTA cards. I didn't pay much more for all 3 than I paid for the red /25, and if I had to choose between the 2 reds, I would probably only choose the numbered version because I would still hold out hope another would surface one day. Plus the fact that the unnumbered red has a refractor line. I also wouldn't be incredibly surprised if other unnumbered versions pop up in the future.

The Crusade protos are an entirely different animal since they are completely different cards. I believe it's pretty well established that no more than 2 greens, 1 purple and 1 red exist for each. Until the collection started dumping on eBay these cards were complete ghosts.

RStadlerASU22 · Nov 2, 2016

athletics07 said:
The Crusade protos are an entirely different animal since they are completely different cards. I believe it's pretty well established that no more than 2 greens, 1 purple and 1 red exist for each. Until the collection started dumping on eBay these cards were complete ghosts.

It depends, there are unnumbered ones of the cards that were actually pack issued. Plus some/all have unnumbered versions of styles that weren't issues. Plus there are the xx/100 versions of the ones that were pack issued as well.

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athletics07 · Nov 2, 2016

RStadlerASU22 said:
It depends, there are unnumbered ones of the cards that were actually pack issued. Plus some/all have unnumbered versions of styles that weren't issues. Plus there are the xx/100 versions of the ones that were pack issued as well.

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Correct. I was referring to the CTA vs Regular Crusade protos he picked up in his example.

RStadlerASU22 · Nov 2, 2016

athletics07 said:
Correct. I was referring to the CTA vs Regular Crusade protos he picked up in his example.

Got ya, just clarifying.

Ryan

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mouschi · Nov 2, 2016

Juan Gris said:
Does this have anything to do with the 1999 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor unnumbered Proofs that were listed the other day... I saw someone snatched up the Canseco and Dunn versions already.

LOL busted! It absolutely got me to thinking about this.

There is definitely something about the pack inserted type of cards. However, for my collection, there is a certain allure to me in obtaining cards that aren't supposed to be circulated to the public.

The checklist guy side of me says serial numbered all the way, but the Indiana Jones collector side of me says no serial number? All the better!

Juan Gris · Nov 2, 2016

mouschi said:
LOL busted! It absolutely got me to thinking about this.

There is definitely something about the pack inserted type of cards. However, for my collection, there is a certain allure to me in obtaining cards that aren't supposed to be circulated to the public.

The checklist guy side of me says serial numbered all the way, but the Indiana Jones collector side of me says no serial number? All the better!

It's an interesting discussion for sure. I think my viewpoint is similar to yours in that the serial number crosses off the checklist but a version missing the numbering is like addition by subtraction.

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