Ryan Braun linked to PED Clinic

Brewer Andy · Feb 15, 2013

DRav87 said:
This is shocking. Just wait Brewers fans will defend him.

A few, and probably one really loud one, but this statement is nowhere near a true generalization. I don't personally know any fellow fans who think he hasn't used. The debate around here is all about do you care or not. Of course most probably won't unless it leads to a suspension. Especially after spending a little beer money at the park

hive17 · Feb 15, 2013

So what? Does this change anyone's perceptions? There is no way in hell anyone who thinks he used or doesn't like him will ever change their mind. Brewers fans will still have the best player in the MLB batting 3rd. So I ask again: so what?

It can't be proven that he failed a test AND hasn't failed another (he did have another MVP-caliber season though). He can't be suspended for circumstantial hand-written "evidence" found in a desk somewhere. So: so what?

All this stuff will do is give people who want to rip on Braun and Milwaukee more "vindication"; which is something they've never needed in order to rip on him in the first place.

So what...

sportscardtheory · Feb 15, 2013

hive17 said:
So what? Does this change anyone's perceptions? There is no way in hell anyone who thinks he used or doesn't like him will ever change their mind. Brewers fans will still have the best player in the MLB batting 3rd. So I ask again: so what?

It can't be proven that he failed a test AND hasn't failed another (he did have another MVP-caliber season though). He can't be suspended for circumstantial hand-written "evidence" found in a desk somewhere. So: so what?

All this stuff will do is give people who want to rip on Braun and Milwaukee more "vindication"; which is something they've never needed in order to rip on him in the first place.

So what...

You care... you do. It hurts a little.

U L Washington Rookie · Feb 15, 2013

notjomommasclint said:
I'm not saying anything other than I can handwrite up a document on notebook paper that shows me delivering horse ***** to Rebecca Lobos parents 9 months before her birth. That doesn't mean she's a Minotaur.

But what if you claimed to have sent them bull *****?

hive17 · Feb 15, 2013

sportscardtheory said:
You care... you do. It hurts a little.

No. I made up my mind that he probably took something he shouldn't have. I honestly don't think he was trying to cheat; I think he took something and didn't vett it.

But this new "revelation" doesn't change anything. So I really don't care, and it doesn't hurt me.

You want it to hurt, so you can keep bumping this thread; schadenfreude is all you have invested in this issue. It's kinda sad...

morgoth · Feb 15, 2013

MLB wants Braun and they will get him one way or another, since he skirted around them the first time. If he would have just done his suspension I bet it would be over now they are out for blood. MLB will wait until the brewers are winning their division and pull the rug out from them.

notjomommasclint · Feb 15, 2013

sportscardtheory said:
So you think it's a conspiracy?

Good god no. There is clearly merit to Braun using something or having extraordinary circumstances. I just don't think that scribbled notes on notebook paper are a nail in the coffin. I write names and phone numbers all day long and if I get caught selling drugs it doesn't mean everyone I write down is using drugs. Show me money transfers and give me couriers names and dates and a detailed list of drugs. Some actual evidence tying braun to this place.

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hive17 · Feb 15, 2013

morgoth said:
MLB wants Braun and they will get him one way or another, since he skirted around them the first time. If he would have just done his suspension I bet it would be over now they are out for blood. MLB will wait until the brewers are winning their division and pull the rug out from them.

Unless he fails another test, I can't see what MLB can do.

morgoth · Feb 15, 2013

if he did it there is evidence of it, it will take time and maybe money but they will get it done. Look at how long it took to finally get evidence on Arod, people knew about it since he played for Texas

hive17 · Feb 15, 2013

morgoth said:
if he did it there is evidence of it, it will take time and maybe money but they will get it done. Look at how long it took to finally get evidence on Arod, people knew about it since he played for Texas

Unless I'm missing something, Braun will have to be criminally charged in connection with something (again, assuming he doesn't fail a direct test). There is scant evidence that a DA could use at this point. MLB can have their own "proof" all they want, but there is no punishment they can hand out.

uniquebaseballcards · Feb 15, 2013

hive17 said:
Unless he fails another test, I can't see what MLB can do.

He doesn't have to fail a test in order to be suspended for PED abuse.

jrinne · Feb 15, 2013

Nothing will come of this.

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hive17 · Feb 15, 2013

uniquebaseballcards said:
He doesn't have to fail a test in order to be suspended for PED abuse.

Right. He can also be criminally charged, which I doubt will happen. And this all belies the fact that the evidence in this instance is weak.

uniquebaseballcards · Feb 15, 2013

hive17 said:
Right. He can also be criminally charged, which I doubt will happen. And this all belies the fact that the evidence in this instance is weak.

Very true.

DRav87 · Feb 15, 2013

morgoth said:
MLB wants Braun and they will get him one way or another, since he skirted around them the first time. If he would have just done his suspension I bet it would be over now they are out for blood. MLB will wait until the brewers are winning their division and pull the rug out from them.

Well if that's what they are waiting for then Braun will be safe for a while.

morgoth · Feb 16, 2013

DRav87 said:
Well if that's what they are waiting for then Braun will be safe for a while.

That division is very weak

jbhofmann · Feb 16, 2013

notjomommasclint said:
Nothing I believe more than handwritten notes on wide ruled paper.

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That's college rule.

thefatguy · Jun 5, 2013

Hive....still a fan?

Super Mario · Jun 5, 2013

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And I'm sure he is.

Hell, Yadi could be busted for anabolic and I'd still be his fan.

hive17 · Jun 5, 2013

thefatguy said:
Hive....still a fan?

Yeah. He's not my "guy", but why would I want anything to happen to the second best player in Brewer history? Why would I want anything to my team's chances of winning?

If he get suspended, I'll be disappointed; but I'm not in the holier-than-thou club in thinking that sports will ever be clean again.

I'll admit this little bit of hypocracy on my part: I hope Braun escapes suspension yet again. Why? Because MLB and ESPN were unprofessional in the way they trashed Braun before the process was completed, that I hope they get egg on their faces again. Braun will always be either guilty or guilty until proven innocent, regardless of any outcome. That's wrong and few people seem to care.

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