1936 Goudey Wide Pens ?

[Zan]

What are the differences between the types? Greenberg has three cards, an A, B, and C type... How can I distinguish between them?

zan

 

[finestkind]

Type A are the regular issue of the wide pens. Type B were an in-store issue. The difference between the type B and C is type B is type B has Litho in USA in the bottom border. Type C does not.

 

[rc4157]

Hi Zan,

I had the same questions when I first came into the ownership of these "pen" sets. Tim Newcomb writes a great review of these in the publication "old Cardboard" issues #6 and #7. You can order just these 2 issues if you like at http://www.oldcardboard.com and no, I'm not getting any commission off of the recommendation.

The sets for 1936 are "wide pens" and "fine pens" and are distinguished by the facscimile signature on them. A further confusing fact is that there are issues from different companies. I'll try to give a brief description of them but I'm sure it would be better to read the articles and see the sample pictures.

1934 - R313A - Gold Medal Foods - "Medium Pens" - This is a World Series set with the Cardinals and Tigers and have a somewhat yellow tint to them - 12 total cards

1936 - R313 - National Chicle - "Fine Pens" - Thinner signature - 120 total cards

1936 - R314 - Goudey Gum - "Wide Pens" - These have a wider signature and say "litho in U.S.A." at the bottom - 120 total cards

1935 - R314B - I think Goudey - "Wide Pens" - 2 sets of 24 American League players - Darker paper stock -
To further confuse us there is a R314B-1 with no borders and R314B-2 with white borders and the b-2 version does not have the "litho in U.S.A." legend.

There is also a R314C issue - This was put out by World Wide Gum and has a creamy color and white signature.

There are more but I'm afraid I wouldn't do it justice so it would be best to get your hands on the magazine.

In my photobucket I have a number of these for you to look at if you like.

I hope I was able to answer it and that it doesn't confuse you totally.

Good luck, RC

 

[Zan]

Type A are the regular issue of the wide pens. Type B were an in-store issue. The difference between the type B and C is type B is type B has Litho in USA in the bottom border. Type C does not.

So how do I distinguish between type A and type C?

zan

 

[Zan]

Hi Zan,

I had the same questions when I first came into the ownership of these "pen" sets. Tim Newcomb writes a great review of these in the publication "old Cardboard" issues #6 and #7. You can order just these 2 issues if you like at http://www.oldcardboard.com and no, I'm not getting any commission off of the recommendation.

The sets for 1936 are "wide pens" and "fine pens" and are distinguished by the facscimile signature on them. A further confusing fact is that there are issues from different companies. I'll try to give a brief description of them but I'm sure it would be better to read the articles and see the sample pictures.

1934 - R313A - Gold Medal Foods - "Medium Pens" - This is a World Series set with the Cardinals and Tigers and have a somewhat yellow tint to them - 12 total cards

1936 - R313 - National Chicle - "Fine Pens" - Thinner signature - 120 total cards

1936 - R314 - Goudey Gum - "Wide Pens" - These have a wider signature and say "litho in U.S.A." at the bottom - 120 total cards

1935 - R314B - I think Goudey - "Wide Pens" - 2 sets of 24 American League players - Darker paper stock -
To further confuse us there is a R314B-1 with no borders and R314B-2 with white borders and the b-2 version does not have the "litho in U.S.A." legend.

There is also a R314C issue - This was put out by World Wide Gum and has a creamy color and white signature.

There are more but I'm afraid I wouldn't do it justice so it would be best to get your hands on the magazine.

In my photobucket I have a number of these for you to look at if you like.

I hope I was able to answer it and that it doesn't confuse you totally.

Good luck, RC

I've got these two:

National Chicle

Goudey Wide Pens

(What type is this?)

zan

 

[rc4157]

That is a R314 Wide Pen by Goudey occasionally referred to as "R314A".
I took the liberty of copying some info. from the Old Cardboard site:

Set Summary

Distributed as in-store premiums to promote Goudey Gum
Known as "Wide Pens" because of thick facsimile autograph
Lithographed, bordered, black and white cards with blank backs
All 120 cards carry "Litho in U.S.A." label at bottom
Only Lloyd Waner card found in variation without label
Variety of both portrait and action poses; 26 now in HOF
"Borderless," "No Litho" and "Creamy" variation subsets
Canadian set also issued with Detroit and Canadian players

References:
1) Tim Newcomb, "Fine, Wide, and In Between: The 1930s 'Pen' Premium Sets, Part II (R314 & Variations)", Old Cardboard Magazine, Issue #7 (Spring 2006, p. 36-42)


Here is a link to the page - http://www.oldcardboard.com/r/r314/r314 ... dsetID=872

Hope this is helpful - I really like your Greenberg & Dickey.

RC

 

[Zan]

That is a R314 Wide Pen by Goudey occasionally referred to as "R314A".
I took the liberty of copying some info. from the Old Cardboard site:

Set Summary

Distributed as in-store premiums to promote Goudey Gum
Known as "Wide Pens" because of thick facsimile autograph
Lithographed, bordered, black and white cards with blank backs
All 120 cards carry "Litho in U.S.A." label at bottom
Only Lloyd Waner card found in variation without label
Variety of both portrait and action poses; 26 now in HOF
"Borderless," "No Litho" and "Creamy" variation subsets
Canadian set also issued with Detroit and Canadian players

References:
1) Tim Newcomb, "Fine, Wide, and In Between: The 1930s 'Pen' Premium Sets, Part II (R314 & Variations)", Old Cardboard Magazine, Issue #7 (Spring 2006, p. 36-42)


Here is a link to the page - http://www.oldcardboard.com/r/r314/r314 ... dsetID=872

Hope this is helpful - I really like your Greenberg & Dickey.
RC

Thanks man, it only costed me $6.99 shipped! Thanks for the info, it helped a lot!

zan