1998 Flair Row 0 Legacy Different Backs??

[RudyGayExquisite]

What exactly is the story with these?

This is my Griffey, which is missing the foil lettering above the stats.

But I saw this auction tonight..

http://cgi.ebay.com/98-Flair-Showcase-H ... dZViewItem

The back on this one is vertical so now I'm completely confused.

 

[Roy Birchler]

What exactly is the story with these?

This is my Griffey, which is missing the foil lettering above the stats.

But I saw this auction tonight..

http://cgi.ebay.com/98-Flair-Showcase-H ... dZViewItem

The back on this one is vertical so now I'm completely confused.

Yours is not a pack pulled card. This is the story that I was told. Uncut sheets were stolen from Fleer. The sheets were not finished, they were not numbered and the foil sig had not been added. The thieves added a serial number to the back and sold them on the open market as real.

Roy

 

[serving4theking]

I was lucky enough to pull a Griffey legacy back in 1998, eventually sold it to the store owner for $300 (I'm sure he had a buyer lined up), not sure if that was a good deal at the time. Anyhow, mine looked like the one in the Ebay auction, not like yours.

 

[brumbach]

What Roy said. Sorry Rudy, but your copy is unreal.

 

[klute14]

Yup, ANY Legacy card absent of any foil lettering on the back of the card is a counterfeit.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

What sucks is that Burbank didn't/doesn't know this...

Yup, ANY Legacy card absent of any foil lettering on the back of the card is a counterfeit.

 

[Philip J. Fry]

What sucks is that Burbank didn't/doesn't know this...

Yup, ANY Legacy card absent of any foil lettering on the back of the card is a counterfeit.

Wow, you just made my mind up on purchasing some 98 Flair Legacy from them. Screw that.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I haven't taken the time to ask for a refund and have not told them about this problem. I wonder what they will do :?:

What sucks is that Burbank didn't/doesn't know this...

Yup, ANY Legacy card absent of any foil lettering on the back of the card is a counterfeit.

Wow, you just made my mind up on purchasing some 98 Flair Legacy from them. Screw that.

 

[RudyGayExquisite]

What I don't understand is if these are supposedly fake, what determines their true value?

The 1988 Topps Cloth Experimental and the unreleased 1998 Pinnacle Certified cards made it out the backdoor just like these but I have yet to hear someone call them fake.

Also, are all the serial #s on the back of the fake Legacies the same or did they get creative and put different ones on them?

 

[brumbach]

The Legacy Row 0 fakes are pretty much worthless except for the novelty of owning one as a player collector. To the best of my knowledge all of the fakes had the same numbering process done and there aren't any variations in where the foil was placed.

What makes these worthless compared to the test issues or other back door products is that they were stolen from the factory in mid-process and altered afterwards by a third party with criminal intent. The people that did the Flair Legacies were caught, tried, and served jail time for what they did. These were not a test issue, not part of a backdoor dumping from a company going out of business, and the final product that hit the streets was not done in the factory. That is was sets something like these Flairs or the recently discussed Cal Ripken Topps RC sheets from cloth cards, XXXX Pinnacle/Leaf Samples, marbles, aqua Donruss, and other wierdness.

If looking to buy any of the Flair Legacies I'd request a scan of the back to be safe.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I think just 1998 Row 0 Legacy cards were stolen.

...If looking to buy any of the Flair Legacies I'd request a scan of the back to be safe.

 

[Roy Birchler]

What I don't understand is if these are supposedly fake, what determines their true value?

The 1988 Topps Cloth Experimental and the unreleased 1998 Pinnacle Certified cards made it out the backdoor just like these but I have yet to hear someone call them fake.

Also, are all the serial #s on the back of the fake Legacies the same or did they get creative and put different ones on them?

The Griffey may have some value. There was one listed on Ebay a couple of years ago that sold for over $100 and the seller clearly spelled out what it was in the auction.
If I remember correctly, there are Griffeys with different numbers on the back. I gave one the Bruce, you could see if the number is the same.

Roy

 

[AndruwHRJones]

I think just 1998 Row 0 Legacy cards were stolen.

...If looking to buy any of the Flair Legacies I'd request a scan of the back to be safe.

I am not sure if baseball was different than football in what was stolen, but this Manning is a Row 2 and looks to be a fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1998-Peyton-Man...ryZ56013QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[magicpapa]

heres the back of mine, i think i still have it??

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Very interesting. I have no clue about the football fake cards but the only fake baseball ones are from row 0, although I have heard a couple people say there are a few row 1s.

I think just 1998 Row 0 Legacy cards were stolen.

...If looking to buy any of the Flair Legacies I'd request a scan of the back to be safe.

I am not sure if baseball was different than football in what was stolen, but this Manning is a Row 2 and looks to be a fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1998-Peyton-Man...ryZ56013QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[jaderock]

What makes these worthless compared to the test issues or other back door products is that they were stolen from the factory in mid-process and altered afterwards by a third party with criminal intent. The people that did the Flair Legacies were caught, tried, and served jail time for what they did.

Thank you for the post.

Does anyone have a link to a news story or article of this...never knew this about these cards.
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For football I can confirm that ROW 2 has the "fake/variant" version. The fake version has the serial numbering closer to the center while the real one has serial number to the far right. Aside from the missing name on back, there are slight surface differeneces as well...the real ones have HIGH GLOSS on the front and back while the fakes have a duller/less shiny front and back.

Only #99/100 is "authentic" as shown below.

 

[Philip J. Fry]

heres the back of mine, i think i still have it??

Oh man, here's mine.

Edit: Wait nevermind, I don't have the Legacy of this. Forgot that Row 0 was serial #ed also.