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- Thread starter KLARNOLD
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2003 Topps Trademark Variations:

1 Alex Rodriguez

10 Mark Prior

11 Curt Schilling

20 Todd Helton

30 Jason Giambi

50 Sammy Sosa

61 Roger Clemens

73 Luis Gonzalez

77 Miguel Tejada

80 Ivan Rodriguez

90 Alfonso Soriano

100 Ichiro Suzuki

130 Gary Sheffield

150 Kazuhisa Ishii

160 Pat Burrell

170 Vladimir Guerrero

177 Adam Dunn

180 Barry Zito

200 Albert Pujols

230 Lance Berkman

250 Nomar Garciaparra

300 Andy Marte

321 Walter Young

322 M.Byrd/J.Padilla

324 H.Blalock/M.Teixeira

368 Francisco Rodriguez

370 Chipper Jones

380 Randy Johnson

387 Nick Johnson

390 Ken Griffey Jr.

396 Barry Bonds

400 Derek Jeter

421 Carlos Delgado

433 Torii Hunter

450 Pedro Martinez

461 Jim Edmonds

489 Scott Rolen

500 Mike Piazza

515 Darin Erstad

530 Eric Chavez

550 Manny Ramirez

558 Tim Hudson

585 Mike Sweeney

593 Jeff Bagwell

600 Garret Anderson

I got outbid on the Nick Johnson twice. Those 2 times are the only times I've seen the Johnson cards on ebay. Both times they went for $50+ if I remember correctly.

White Topps"throw-back"logo.

Series 1 (1:8852)

value undetermined

Series 2 (1:4487)

value undetermined

I am guessing every card has a White Topps . How many?

I am really interested in some more info on this set. Anybody have one or know anymore?

- Nov 21, 2008

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I need the Erstad :x

- Nov 21, 2008

- 3,905

We can have some math fun based on stated odds from baseballcardpedia...this would be using the assumption that the odds are actually correct and the set size is actually 25 cards, not the entire 330-card set.

Stated odds are 1:8852 hobby packs, 1:2665 jumbo packs for Series 1.

Topps Gold stated odds are 1:16 hobby packs, 1:5 jumbo packs for Series 1.

It's about the same difference in insertion rate for the two sets between the hobby/jumbo packs.

Retail odds are just listed as "?" for both sets so let's go with the assumption they were both inserted in retail and the numbers even out?

Using the Hobby odds:

1:16 packs to find 1 Topps Gold card, 330 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Topps Gold card were 1:5280 packs.

1:8852 packs to find 1 Trademark variation card, 25 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Trademark card were 1:221,300 packs. (or one in over six thousand boxes!)

221,300/5,280 = A specific Gold card was 41.91 times more common to pull than a specific Trademark variation.

Topps Gold cards were serial numbered /2003.

2003/41.91 = 47.79 estimated Trademark variation print run for Series 1.

If the Gold cards were

If Topps Golds were inserted in retail (I feel like they were?) and Trademark variations weren't, that would also push the 47.79 number lower.

Plus add in that nobody was really looking for these or had even heard of them, and they are easy to overlook due to the small design variation, so many of the cards that were produced have probably been sitting in a commons box for 18 years bricking up.

So in summary, I think at absolute most the production run on these was around 50, probably quite a bit lower, plus there's the factor of people not even noticing the ones that were made.

- Jun 26, 2009

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Nice short print addition for any Pedro Martinez or Red Sox Collection.

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We can have some math fun based on stated odds from baseballcardpedia...this would be using the assumption that the odds are actually correct and the set size is actually 25 cards, not the entire 330-card set.

Stated odds are 1:8852 hobby packs, 1:2665 jumbo packs for Series 1.

Topps Gold stated odds are 1:16 hobby packs, 1:5 jumbo packs for Series 1.

It's about the same difference in insertion rate for the two sets between the hobby/jumbo packs.

Retail odds are just listed as "?" for both sets so let's go with the assumption they were both inserted in retail and the numbers even out?

Using the Hobby odds:

1:16 packs to find 1 Topps Gold card, 330 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Topps Gold card were 1:5280 packs.

1:8852 packs to find 1 Trademark variation card, 25 cards in the set, so the odds of finding one specific Trademark card were 1:221,300 packs. (or one in over six thousand boxes!)

221,300/5,280 = A specific Gold card was 41.91 times more common to pull than a specific Trademark variation.

Topps Gold cards were serial numbered /2003.

2003/41.91 = 47.79 estimated Trademark variation print run for Series 1.

If the Gold cards wereactuallyeasier to pull than 1:16 Hobby or 1:5 Jumbo, that would push the estimated 47.79 print run lower. I'm having a tough time remembering but I feel like Topps Golds were easier than the stated insert ratio.

If Topps Golds were inserted in retail (I feel like they were?) and Trademark variations weren't, that would also push the 47.79 number lower.

Plus add in that nobody was really looking for these or had even heard of them, and they are easy to overlook due to the small design variation, so many of the cards that were produced have probably been sitting in a commons box for 18 years bricking up.

So in summary, I think at absolute most the production run on these was around 50, probably quite a bit lower, plus there's the factor of people not even noticing the ones that were made.

just an fyi , there are 45 cards in the set , not 25...

just an fyi , there are 45 cards in the set , not 25...

I was just doing the math for Series 1 - there are 25 of the cards in Series 1, 20 in Series 2.

The same math using the Series 2 odds from baseballcardpedia equals out to about 55 of each Series 2 Trademark variation. These seem quite a bit tougher than the Topps Black cards that have a print run of 52, so either the actual odds were a lot longer than what was stated, or people

- Nov 21, 2008

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Great work @Dilferules on the math. I had suspect 25-50 print runs on them.