BA's Diamondbacks Top 10 Prospects

[bballcardkid]

I'm surprised Skaggs is not #1. He has more than 2 years of experience under his belt is younger than Bauer.

I think the top 4 will all make quality starters in the major leagues so i guess it doesn't matter the order. I personally don't prefer one of the top 3 over the other. I have stashes of them all

+1, the #1 prospect in 2 leagues and not the #1 prospect? ughhhh, damn, tough evaluators.....

skrip

I'm not saying this as a Bauer homer, but this is a ridiculous statement.

Just because you are #1 in two leagues, doesn't make you the best in your own system. Skaggs has had very good results, but the sum of all parts still don't equate to Bauer.

Then again, in the very early going people weren't sold on Lincecum's overall evaluations either.

About to say the same thing.

 

[azbaseballfan]

There is nothing ridiculous about skrip's statement. Skaggs has proven himself as one of the top pitchers in the minors by stringing together quality start after quality start for the last two years. Making him one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues. Yet he is #3 in the dbacks organization alone behind two players that have proven next to nothing in the minor leagues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a believer in Bradley and Bauer both but in my opinion I think Skaggs deserves the #1 slot based off of his experience and the fact that he has gotten better as he has moved up in the organization.

 

[All The Hype]

There is nothing ridiculous about skrip's statement. Skaggs has proven himself as one of the top pitchers in the minors by stringing together quality start after quality start for the last two years. Making him one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues. Yet he is #3 in the dbacks organization alone behind two players that have proven next to nothing in the minor leagues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a believer in Bradley and Bauer both but in my opinion I think Skaggs deserves the #1 slot based off of his experience and the fact that he has gotten better as he has moved up in the organization.

In theory, NEC is correct to say that just because a guy is ranked #1 in a league (or even two) does not necessarily make him better than other players from different leagues in his own organization.

That said, in this particular scenario, I tend to agree with those saying Skaggs should be #1 at this point. He basically dominated this season. I prefer experience over projection, even if a guy is projected to be really good. Why rush him to the top of the list? Put him in the #3-#5 range based on the projection, let him prove himself, and then move him to the top after he earns it.

In my opinion, a guy has to be incredibly projectable with a very high floor in order to earn a #1 ranking with no experience (a guy like Harper, Strasburg, etc.).

 

[azbaseballfan]

Agreed 100%. ^^^

 

[NECpilgrims8]

There is nothing ridiculous about skrip's statement. Skaggs has proven himself as one of the top pitchers in the minors by stringing together quality start after quality start for the last two years. Making him one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues. Yet he is #3 in the dbacks organization alone behind two players that have proven next to nothing in the minor leagues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a believer in Bradley and Bauer both but in my opinion I think Skaggs deserves the #1 slot based off of his experience and the fact that he has gotten better as he has moved up in the organization.

In theory, NEC is correct to say that just because a guy is ranked #1 in a league (or even two) does not necessarily make him better than other players from different leagues in his own organization.

That said, in this particular scenario, I tend to agree with those saying Skaggs should be #1 at this point. He basically dominated this season. I prefer experience over projection, even if a guy is projected to be really good. Why rush him to the top of the list? Put him in the #3-#5 range based on the projection, let him prove himself, and then move him to the top after he earns it.

In my opinion, a guy has to be incredibly projectable with a very high floor in order to earn a #1 ranking with no experience (a guy like Harper, Strasburg, etc.).

For someone like Bradley i completely understand this statement. He was ranked a tad aggressive, even if he is Dylan Bundy's counterpart at this stage of the prospect level.

Bauer on the other hand, is a completely different animal. He IS everything you state in the bolded statement, much like a Harper/Strasburg. There was a clear reason he didn't last past pick #3 overall. Everything about him points to a revolutionary, once in a decade type of pitcher, in terms of projection, stuff, and his potential/ability to change the game that we know.

I mean, he is making up his own pitchers AND has every ability to use it to mow down professional hitters. Stuff like that just doesn't come along every day, let alone every decade.

 

[sheetskout]

For someone like Bradley i completely understand this statement. He was ranked a tad aggressive, even if he is Dylan Bundy's counterpart at this stage of the prospect level.

Bauer on the other hand, is a completely different animal. He IS everything you state in the bolded statement, much like a Harper/Strasburg. There was a clear reason he didn't last past pick #3 overall. Everything about him points to a revolutionary, once in a decade type of pitcher, in terms of projection, stuff, and his potential/ability to change the game that we know.

I mean, he is making up his own pitchers AND has every ability to use it to mow down professional hitters. Stuff like that just doesn't come along every day, let alone every decade.

Way over the top. Bauer at this point is an elite prospect no doubt. But saying that Bauer has the ability to "change the game that we know" is just preposterous.

 

[All The Hype]

There is nothing ridiculous about skrip's statement. Skaggs has proven himself as one of the top pitchers in the minors by stringing together quality start after quality start for the last two years. Making him one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues. Yet he is #3 in the dbacks organization alone behind two players that have proven next to nothing in the minor leagues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a believer in Bradley and Bauer both but in my opinion I think Skaggs deserves the #1 slot based off of his experience and the fact that he has gotten better as he has moved up in the organization.

In theory, NEC is correct to say that just because a guy is ranked #1 in a league (or even two) does not necessarily make him better than other players from different leagues in his own organization.

That said, in this particular scenario, I tend to agree with those saying Skaggs should be #1 at this point. He basically dominated this season. I prefer experience over projection, even if a guy is projected to be really good. Why rush him to the top of the list? Put him in the #3-#5 range based on the projection, let him prove himself, and then move him to the top after he earns it.

In my opinion, a guy has to be incredibly projectable with a very high floor in order to earn a #1 ranking with no experience (a guy like Harper, Strasburg, etc.).

For someone like Bradley i completely understand this statement. He was ranked a tad aggressive, even if he is Dylan Bundy's counterpart at this stage of the prospect level.

Bauer on the other hand, is a completely different animal. He IS everything you state in the bolded statement, much like a Harper/Strasburg. There was a clear reason he didn't last past pick #3 overall. Everything about him points to a revolutionary, once in a decade type of pitcher, in terms of projection, stuff, and his potential/ability to change the game that we know.

I mean, he is making up his own pitchers AND has every ability to use it to mow down professional hitters. Stuff like that just doesn't come along every day, let alone every decade.

And Bauer has actually had a little bit of professional experience during which he dominated (minus one start), with some pretty ridiculous K numbers. I definitely don't mind Bauer being ranked favorably, although I think your description of him being a once in a decade pitcher might be a little much at this point, so I still might put Skaggs ahead of him for now simply because he's still projectable and has proven himself on the professional level over full seasons. But like you say, Bradley still has a long way to go and IMO would be better suited with a #4 or #5 ranking right now.

Regardless of how you rank them right now, the top of this list looks like it will turn into a very impressive rotation with a chance to perhaps develop into one of the best in the game in a few years if everything falls into place.

 

[bballcardkid]

Experience isn't an issue with Bauer. He has 3 years of college under his belt, USA experience, and what amounts to a quarter of a minor league season under his belt. He has dominated everywhere he's played.

Historically, players that post a K:9 ratio greater than 13 in their final college season before being drafted have usually turned out to be studs in the majors. Throw in the ridiculous 0.8 WHIP and the fact that he eats up so many innings, I'm surprised people aren't saying he's the best pitcher not to pitch in the majors. He posted a 15.08 K:9 ratio in his first taste in the minors for crying out loud. That's bonkers.

 

[sheetskout]

Experience isn't an issue with Bauer. He has 3 years of college under his belt, USA experience, and what amounts to a quarter of a minor league season under his belt. He has dominated everywhere he's played.

Historically, players that post a K:9 ratio greater than 13 in their final college season before being drafted have usually turned out to be studs in the majors. Throw in the ridiculous 0.8 WHIP and the fact that he eats up so many innings, I'm surprised people aren't saying he's the best pitcher not to pitch in the majors. He posted a 15.08 K:9 ratio in his first taste in the minors for crying out loud. That's bonkers.

Now please don't get me wrong. I like Bauer as a prospect. A lot.

But a .257OBA (.286OBA in Double-A) certainly doesn't scream generational pitching talent.

 

[azbaseballfan]

There is nothing ridiculous about skrip's statement. Skaggs has proven himself as one of the top pitchers in the minors by stringing together quality start after quality start for the last two years. Making him one of the top pitching prospects in the minor leagues. Yet he is #3 in the dbacks organization alone behind two players that have proven next to nothing in the minor leagues. Don't get me wrong, I'm a believer in Bradley and Bauer both but in my opinion I think Skaggs deserves the #1 slot based off of his experience and the fact that he has gotten better as he has moved up in the organization.

In theory, NEC is correct to say that just because a guy is ranked #1 in a league (or even two) does not necessarily make him better than other players from different leagues in his own organization.

That said, in this particular scenario, I tend to agree with those saying Skaggs should be #1 at this point. He basically dominated this season. I prefer experience over projection, even if a guy is projected to be really good. Why rush him to the top of the list? Put him in the #3-#5 range based on the projection, let him prove himself, and then move him to the top after he earns it.

In my opinion, a guy has to be incredibly projectable with a very high floor in order to earn a #1 ranking with no experience (a guy like Harper, Strasburg, etc.).

For someone like Bradley i completely understand this statement. He was ranked a tad aggressive, even if he is Dylan Bundy's counterpart at this stage of the prospect level.

Bauer on the other hand, is a completely different animal. He IS everything you state in the bolded statement, much like a Harper/Strasburg. There was a clear reason he didn't last past pick #3 overall. Everything about him points to a revolutionary, once in a decade type of pitcher, in terms of projection, stuff, and his potential/ability to change the game that we know.

I mean, he is making up his own pitchers AND has every ability to use it to mow down professional hitters. Stuff like that just doesn't come along every day, let alone every decade.

::facepalm:: This is almost worse than the Bryce Harper = God comparison. Let's try not to cause to much unnecessary hype here please.

 

[ballerskrip]

For someone like Bradley i completely understand this statement. He was ranked a tad aggressive, even if he is Dylan Bundy's counterpart at this stage of the prospect level.

Bauer on the other hand, is a completely different animal. He IS everything you state in the bolded statement, much like a Harper/Strasburg. There was a clear reason he didn't last past pick #3 overall. Everything about him points to a revolutionary, once in a decade type of pitcher, in terms of projection, stuff, and his potential/ability to change the game that we know.

I mean, he is making up his own pitchers AND has every ability to use it to mow down professional hitters. Stuff like that just doesn't come along every day, let alone every decade.

Way over the top. Bauer at this point is an elite prospect no doubt. But saying that Bauer has the ability to "change the game that we know" is just preposterous.

Agreed, WAY WAY WAY over the top. Once in a decade, revolutionary, and ability to change the game is crazy talk. How many pitchers in the last 30 years have truly changed the game? 1? 2? None?

skrip

 

[NECpilgrims8]

For someone like Bradley i completely understand this statement. He was ranked a tad aggressive, even if he is Dylan Bundy's counterpart at this stage of the prospect level.

Bauer on the other hand, is a completely different animal. He IS everything you state in the bolded statement, much like a Harper/Strasburg. There was a clear reason he didn't last past pick #3 overall. Everything about him points to a revolutionary, once in a decade type of pitcher, in terms of projection, stuff, and his potential/ability to change the game that we know.

I mean, he is making up his own pitchers AND has every ability to use it to mow down professional hitters. Stuff like that just doesn't come along every day, let alone every decade.

Way over the top. Bauer at this point is an elite prospect no doubt. But saying that Bauer has the ability to "change the game that we know" is just preposterous.

It isn't quite as preposterous as you think. I'm very small fish, so when top evaluators and members of scouting departments make these type of claims, I have to believe it. Heck, I was talking to Brett Strom a few weeks ago about Bauer and he showed me multiple videos that showed him doing his amazingly insane pitching routines and exercises. These were personal, first hand videos, and not just some Jaeger sports footage.

He defiantly stated that Bauer has one of the most intelligent minds he's ever seen in a pitcher and he has the ability to change the scouting landscape. His process and proven (to this point) methods are something we just haven't ever seen to this point.

That's what I mean by "change the game that we know". Don't get my words twisted here.

 

[sheetskout]

Don't get my words twisted here.

Who's twisting words? It's an exact quote.

That's why I used quotation marks.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Don't get my words twisted here.

Who's twisting words? It's an exact quote.

That's why I used quotation marks.

Apologies.

Don't the meaning of my words wrong.

 

[bballcardkid]

Experience isn't an issue with Bauer. He has 3 years of college under his belt, USA experience, and what amounts to a quarter of a minor league season under his belt. He has dominated everywhere he's played.

Historically, players that post a K:9 ratio greater than 13 in their final college season before being drafted have usually turned out to be studs in the majors. Throw in the ridiculous 0.8 WHIP and the fact that he eats up so many innings, I'm surprised people aren't saying he's the best pitcher not to pitch in the majors. He posted a 15.08 K:9 ratio in his first taste in the minors for crying out loud. That's bonkers.

Now please don't get me wrong. I like Bauer as a prospect. A lot.

But a .257OBA (.286OBA in Double-A) certainly doesn't scream generational pitching talent.

I knew that was coming. I was actually kind of glad that Bauer struggled in his last outing because if he was his normal self, his base Chrome Autos might be going for $40 per.

Anyway, never did I say he was a generational pitching talent.

Subtract out the lone bad outing where he gave up 8 hits and 10 earned runs in 1.2IP and you get:

15IP 12H 25K 4ER 5BB

I guess we will all just have to wait and see.

 

[beefycheddar]

I'll back the talk of Bauer being special. I have talked about him with numerous players that have played against him as well as trained with him in off season and there isn't one that doesn't talk of him in revered tones.

One person does train with him and said that their training coach has helped Bauer come up with a lot of the weird routines he does, but also physically Bauer is one of the only players out there that could even do some of the routines.

I spoke to someone from U of Georgia before the draft and he instantly said "When we faced them you can't even compare Cole to Bauer. Bauer absolutely demolished us and baffled our hitters, and we were able to light up Cole."

 

[GAbballplayer148]

I'll back the talk of Bauer being special. I have talked about him with numerous players that have played against him as well as trained with him in off season and there isn't one that doesn't talk of him in revered tones.

One person does train with him and said that their training coach has helped Bauer come up with a lot of the weird routines he does, but also physically Bauer is one of the only players out there that could even do some of the routines.

I spoke to someone from U of Georgia before the draft and he instantly said "When we faced them you can't even compare Cole to Bauer. Bauer absolutely demolished us and baffled our hitters, and we were able to light up Cole."

Kinda curious when you talked to the person from UGA (or who it was, for that matter) - I didn't recall them facing Bauer this year, and a quick look shows they never did. They faced Cole, and he had a perfect game until the 6th then gave up 3ER in the 7th, when there was only 3 hits and one walk. He had 12 K's in that game, and only the one walk so not exactly sure how the UGA hitters "lit up" Cole. I am a huge UGA fan, and follow their program pretty closely so I am not hating on them at all, just wondering if you may have meant someone else?

 

[ballerskrip]

I'll back the talk of Bauer being special. I have talked about him with numerous players that have played against him as well as trained with him in off season and there isn't one that doesn't talk of him in revered tones.

One person does train with him and said that their training coach has helped Bauer come up with a lot of the weird routines he does, but also physically Bauer is one of the only players out there that could even do some of the routines.

I spoke to someone from U of Georgia before the draft and he instantly said "When we faced them you can't even compare Cole to Bauer. Bauer absolutely demolished us and baffled our hitters, and we were able to light up Cole."

No offense, but comparing him to another college pitcher from this years draft, doesn't make him a generational player. Neither does being able to do a crazy workout. Ever hear of workout warriors at the NFL combine? Do they always pan out?

Again, I like him as a prospect as well. But some of the comments in this thread are way out of line.

skrip

 

[TomMurry]

[quote="CAROLINA BOSOX":3i4jqnry]If Chris Owings ever makes a splash I will be rich :lol: Picked up a ton of the SC native's autos for cheap over the last couple of years. He is the only middle infielder on this list but not on the projected lineup.

David Nick > Chris Owings[/quote:3i4jqnry]

My bowman Red 1/1 hopes youre right.

 

[beefycheddar]

I'll back the talk of Bauer being special. I have talked about him with numerous players that have played against him as well as trained with him in off season and there isn't one that doesn't talk of him in revered tones.

One person does train with him and said that their training coach has helped Bauer come up with a lot of the weird routines he does, but also physically Bauer is one of the only players out there that could even do some of the routines.

I spoke to someone from U of Georgia before the draft and he instantly said "When we faced them you can't even compare Cole to Bauer. Bauer absolutely demolished us and baffled our hitters, and we were able to light up Cole."

Kinda curious when you talked to the person from UGA (or who it was, for that matter) - I didn't recall them facing Bauer this year, and a quick look shows they never did. They faced Cole, and he had a perfect game until the 6th then gave up 3ER in the 7th, when there was only 3 hits and one walk. He had 12 K's in that game, and only the one walk so not exactly sure how the UGA hitters "lit up" Cole. I am a huge UGA fan, and follow their program pretty closely so I am not hating on them at all, just wondering if you may have meant someone else?

I didn't mess up schools, I was just repeating what I was told by a UGA Pitcher, Cecil Tanner to be exact. He obviously was incorrect, possibly he knew Bauer through other means. I am certain that the other pitcher trained with him at
Ron Wolforth’s Combat Pitcher system. I am sure he gushed over him to the level he only placed Taillon at as well.