hive17 said:Again, I never said it was herpes, you keep putting words in my mouth. In fact, most, if not all, of my comments have only focused on the evidence, the sample process and chain of custody, as those are my only areas of expertise that have bearing on this issue. I've haven't deigned to speculate on the innocence or guilt of Braun; I've simply stated that no one can know anything via any proof that exists. (and you can save yourself the time of pointing out the title of this thread; it was a quick title to get the news out, so quick that it has a typo.)homerun28aa said:hive17 said:The problem with your view is this: The more one thinks he potentially used, moving down to the dark end the spectrum, then the more flawed the testing system essentially must be, and thus the easier it would be to do. The easier it is to do, the more likely it is that other players were and continue to do the same. That sort of situation would cast a shadow over the whole game, not just Braun. (the credit for this point belongs to the DoU blog)homerun28aa said:After posting in this thread several times, reading the collector's statement, reading more stuff about the incident, reading more members opinions, I am quite happy with how this is shaping out. Yes Braun escapes the suspension, but don't for a second believe that any of the baseball writers or those who are fortunate enough to have votes for the HOF see Ryan Braun as innocent or exonerated. If Braun continues to tear things up (which is more than likely that he won't considering no matter how good an athlete is after any sort of publicity setback their game diminishes i.e. tiger woods), his chances at the HOF are gone and I know that is years and years away and only time will tell if he's that good. But this guy will make a ton of money, positive test or not he'd make a ton of money though so that isn't really an issue. He went from being one of the golden boys in the sport of baseball to a complete liar and douche bag and take the Brewer and Braun fans out of the equation...over 80% know he did it. So let him call his total BS press conferences, let hive and the other Brewer fans try to say that a sample collector or a FedEx employee or God all have it out for Braun. Let them say what they want, but this guy is going to get boo'ed in every park except Miller Park. It would have been better for him to not get the suspencion overturned, come clean, and put this behind him like A-Rod did. Sure, at first everyone was saying A-Roid and all this stuff, but A-Rod admitted what he did (whether or not he fully disclosed it is a different story, but nonetheless it was enough of an admission of guilt) and people are definitely moving on from A-Rod. There is almost no doubt Braun is guilty, why are hive and the Braun fans not bringing up the herpes anymore? And how he did have elevated testosterone levels from a prescription? They aren't even bringing that up anymore they're just all claiming some ridiculous conspiracy. Braun is more guilty than OJ and everyone knows it.
Also, I never bought into the herpes rumor, so thanks for putting words in my mouth. In fact, all I EVER said, was that, because of this ruling, we can NEVER have proof of what happened. You can have your opinion, but all the facts have been destroyed by this process, so you'll never know.
And actually, the BEST thing for Braun would have been for his confidentiality to not have been violated, thus no one would ever have the slightest clue what happened. If you want to play "tinfoil hats" for a second, MLB probably saw that Braun's arguement would work, and leaked the info about the test to get a guilty verdict no matter what.
I said hive and other Brewers and Braun fans, other fans of his or the Brewers brought up this excuse several times, that it was a substance he used legally, it wasn't a PED and he just didn't inform his team. However, his camp chose not go with this for obvious reasons. If they prove to the arbitrator that this, in fact, was the case, it would not lift the 50 game suspension because that is still breaking MLB procedure. However, it would have done a better job at clearing his name, but like I said he broke protocol and the ban would stay. Now that they concocted this crazy theory, the entire testing process is being called into question, and you are proving my point on that. Now everyone is saying the testing system has loopholes it's horrible and the MLBPA is eating it up. The testing system is imperfect, just like nearly everything and everyone out there, but it has now been totally torn apart. There is a reason this is the first time someone ever beat a PED appeal, because no one in their right mind could concoct such a crazy scheme and think he could get away with it. I am merely reinforcing that Braun will not get away with it just because of one arbitrator, there are plenty of fans outraged at this and rightfully so.
We're still waiting for you to post the specimen apparatus... :lol:justinmandawg said:
I've had the flu. I'll bring one home this weekend when I work. I honestly don't know if the guy is guilty. It just sucks that so many correct things have been skipped. That piss could've been tested anywhere. We save a sample of the sample before sending it.ChasHawk said:We're still waiting for you to post the specimen apparatus... :lol:justinmandawg said: