Do you think cards will go back up?

[Nick1190]

Question is simple, do you think cards will go back up come spring training? Normally, I'd say, yes, but the way our economy is, I'm not sure what to think. There will most likely be some cards going up come February-April. Austin Jackson, Fernando, Lars, goes who will be playing with their parent teams in Spring Training. I had a discussion with someone today, and they think that the economy is only going to get worst, and cards wont be going back up.

What are your thoughts?

 

[95vr4]

Really depends on the player,

Evan Longoria is so freaking hot now, economy has nothing to do with his card selling high, but world series.

 

[coltsfan23]

Really depends on the player,

Evan Longoria is so freaking hot now, economy has nothing to do with his card selling high, but world series.

David Price is reaching that point as well.

 

[Nick1190]

Really depends on the player,

Evan Longoria is so freaking hot now, economy has nothing to do with his card selling high, but world series.

Evan Longoria set a record for most HR's by a rookie in the playoffs, and his cards still aren't as high as I think they should be. Chrome autos are only getting $225. Most people bought into his chrome's when they were $110, so they only double their money, which sounds good, but when a player does something incredible as Evan is doing, there should be a higher ROI.

I cant get $60 for a David Price sterling. Trust me, alot of people aren't making too much off of him after fees.

 

[briguy0216]

Obviously the economy is bad but people buying cards aren't exactly people who have no extra income. I feel like the majority of collectors have money to spend and will continue to spend it. The economy will affect cards but i think the small reductions in price that have been happening will balance out the fact cards will sell for a little less in ST than normal.

 

[coltsfan23]

Obviously the economy is bad but people buying cards aren't exactly people who have no extra income. I feel like the majority of collectors have money to spend and will continue to spend it. The economy will affect cards but i think the small reductions in price that have been happening will balance out the fact cards will sell for a little less in ST than normal.

I found your first sentence interesting. I got that feeling from members on here, but on other large boards, it is generally different. Usually card collectors don't have money to spend on hobbies, but are too addicted to the hobby and soon are largely in debt. On other large forums, I see so so many " I need to pay for bills" threads. People sometimes even post about jobs they have and they aren't ones that would allow for tons of extra spending.

On here though, most seem to spend based on what their job allows them to. I don't know why the change, but just something I noticed.

 

[matfanofold]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

 

[coltsfan23]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

 

[Nick1190]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

Why do you think that?

 

[matfanofold]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

Although I believe your opinion to be valid and just as possible, I still believe thoes investing/buying in Vintage and Star/HOF auto cards are doing so without need or want to make a flip. They are more established in there funds and are buying what they like without the promis of monitary reimbursement. Prospectors, by nature, are looking to make money. Which tends to lend credence that they are less likely to be financially established. Thus, I am inclined to think a sour economy will hurt the prospectors/lemmings first and foremost.

 

[tonyrios]

I don't think prospecting will die down with the failing economy, but I think it might even help out. When prospects get hot, the ones who buy them aren't your usual prospectors, they're people with a lot of money. How many FCB members have bought a Longo chrome at 220?
They way I see it, low economy = buying lower, and the same people with pockets will still be there when they get hot.

 

[coltsfan23]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

Although I believe your opinion to be valid and just as possible, I still believe thoes investing/buying in Vintage and Star/HOF auto cards are doing so without need or want to make a flip. They are more established in there funds and are buying what they like without the promis of monitary reimbursement. Prospectors, by nature, are looking to make money. Which tends to lend credence that they are less likely to be financially established. Thus, I am inclined to think a sour economy will hurt the prospectors/lemmings first and foremost.

I've noticed the opposite trends. The people on here, mainly prospectors, tend to be way more financially secure than the player/team collectors on other boards I see.

I've compared the amount of threads asking for money desperately in any which way, jobs posted on all sites on the members, etc.

I totally agree that prospectors are usually investors. Now, wouldn't you think that investors are usually the ones that are richer? Sure, some fail, but investors have more money to pour into something than generally hobbyists do.

 

[SeattlefantillIdie]

Man, it is really tough to say. I have noticed Griffey cards have skyrocketed in price, on most things. Even some base cards I would NEVER think would go up have seem to. Yet, I just won a 2008 Upper Deck A Piece of History Timeless Moments Felix Hernandez G/U Jersey #/25 for $.99. NOW, again, I know there isn't a huge following for him, but even about a month or so ago I would have paid at least $3 for it. Maybe a bit more. I didn't have anyone bid against me. So, if the economy turns around I think maybe they'll go up a bit, but for the most part it seems that this is the trend we will see for a while!

 

[ostrander111]

I voted yes, but i hope they dont so i can keep gettin cards cheaper!

 

[matfanofold]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

Although I believe your opinion to be valid and just as possible, I still believe thoes investing/buying in Vintage and Star/HOF auto cards are doing so without need or want to make a flip. They are more established in there funds and are buying what they like without the promis of monitary reimbursement. Prospectors, by nature, are looking to make money. Which tends to lend credence that they are less likely to be financially established. Thus, I am inclined to think a sour economy will hurt the prospectors/lemmings first and foremost.

I've noticed the opposite trends. The people on here, mainly prospectors, tend to be way more financially secure than the player/team collectors on other boards I see.

I've compared the amount of threads asking for money desperately in any which way, jobs posted on all sites on the members, etc.

I totally agree that prospectors are usually investors. Now, wouldn't you think that investors are usually the ones that are richer? Sure, some fail, but investors have more money to pour into something than generally hobbyists do.

Judging the state of the hobby by the reflection givin here is majorly skewed in the por-prospector light, and thus not really valid as an argument. And an investor in the stock market may be well off, but not necessairly with baseball cards. However, a few exceptions do not negate the rule..

I can truely appreciate your point of view though..

 

[trevordchi]

Why do you think that?

The economy is cyclical. Always has been, always will be.

 

[bballcardkid]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

I agree with this. I've noticed that similar cards to my collection of 1/1's have weathered the storm, if not increased in the past 3 years.

 

[rainmanesq]

it happens EVERYyear like clockwork- offseason and/or lag in releases, cards go down. when baseball’s hot, football’s eh. when football’s hot (now), baseball’s eh…w/the usual exceptions (amazing breakouts by rookies/playoffs/etc.). in fact, this discussion is sort of like the omg, is bowman chrome/bowman chrome draft overproduced this year? omg, who will buy it? what do you know, people buy it EVERY year.

as others have said, cards appeal to different people-

vintage guys- market’s still strong

true collectors- they go nutso every time they see a _______ (insert their mancrush) card b/c really, 9,897 cards of ‘their guy’ is NOT enough.

set builders

new fans- e.g., oh look, the rays are hot, gotta buy some rays cards, yep, gotta buy a longo chrome @ 220.

sheep prospectors- these guys flip in and out of prospects faster than most peeps change their underwear. these are the same guys that are ‘getting out of the hobby’- no really, they are getting out of the hobby THIS WEEK- oh wait, 2 weeks from now, they will be ‘back in the game’ and pimping their wares to you via IM. omgz, matt laporta is NOT G-D like everyone and their babby dady said on those msg boards so oh no, gotta sell laporta NOW b/c omgz, his xfractor did not hit $500 and even though these lemmings- er, prospectors, bought in too high, they want their $ now and they want laporta to be G-D so his prices will quintupitalize in 2 seconds.

real prospectors- these guys actually have a clue and buy low, sell high, zig when others zag, wash, rinse, spin, repeat.

either way, there’s plenty of $ STILL being made in cards. just make sure you’re on the right end of the stick and kids, remember, ‘cardboard PROFITS’ are NOT PROFITS until you actually SELL.

 

[coltsfan23]

Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

Although I believe your opinion to be valid and just as possible, I still believe thoes investing/buying in Vintage and Star/HOF auto cards are doing so without need or want to make a flip. They are more established in there funds and are buying what they like without the promis of monitary reimbursement. Prospectors, by nature, are looking to make money. Which tends to lend credence that they are less likely to be financially established. Thus, I am inclined to think a sour economy will hurt the prospectors/lemmings first and foremost.

I've noticed the opposite trends. The people on here, mainly prospectors, tend to be way more financially secure than the player/team collectors on other boards I see.

I've compared the amount of threads asking for money desperately in any which way, jobs posted on all sites on the members, etc.

I totally agree that prospectors are usually investors. Now, wouldn't you think that investors are usually the ones that are richer? Sure, some fail, but investors have more money to pour into something than generally hobbyists do.

Judging the state of the hobby by the reflection givin here is majorly skewed in the por-prospector light, and thus not really valid as an argument. And an investor in the stock market may be well off, but not necessairly with baseball cards. However, a few exceptions do not negate the rule..

I can truely appreciate your point of view though..

As I said before, I'm not going off of this board. I'm going off of other boards that have tens of thousands of members, as well. Thus, I'd think it's pretty valid, wouldn't you? I mean if you can't help judge the card market by how thousands of collectors are following market trends, then how can you? Do you need MILLIONS to find out?

I'm also not judging this based off of the stock market. I told you I was also basing this off of facts posted by such people.

 

[matfanofold]

[quote="matfanofold":2aof900x]Here is my take on it.

There is 2 different card markets, the prospectors and the collectors. There are hybrids of both but its a pretty definitive line between the two outside of the diehard like us. Cards the 'collector' collects, like player collectors, vintage collectors, star/hof auto collectors and graded collectors have not seen the substantial drop like prospector stuff has, and my theroy is this..

I call it the 'lemming syndrome'.

Once most, if not all, of ones buisness is based on selling to so called lemmings, its at or near its end. Think the pet rock, or the tie-dye shirt, penny stocks or beanie babies. These "lemmings' saturate a good thing, then like a virus, dismantle it from within. This is what I feel is going to happen to the 'prospect' buisness. How many prospect based sets/inserts/cards are being made each year now compared to just 5 years ago? Heck, even most MLB based sets are now practicly prospect dominant.

Ultimatly, the 'collector' is usually a bit more refined in what they like and are less likely to follow a 'lemming'. Thus, I feel vintage, graded(including star RC), and star/hof auto cards are the gold standard of the card collecting community and will hold there value the longest, even in a tightening economy.

Just my 2.


Make note, I'm not calling all prospectors 'lemmings', but for every good prospector there is 10,000 lemmings trying to 'buy in'(and will ultimatly fail and bail) and a far too many card companies watering down the prospector pond.

Interesting, although these lemmings tend to come out when the player is hot, especially in the majors. That's when most prospectors dump their stuff. These lemmings as maybe you were alluding to, they think they are prospectors when they really aren't.

Prospecting is no sure thing, but it all depends on when you are actually buying I'd say. I think the econ won't really affect prospecting as much though, as HOF autos and such. Prospecting could be seen as a longer term investment, by which time I think the econ will be better. HOF autos and stuff might suffer a little bit or might stay stagnant. I guess they are the better buy if you are collecting, but investment wise, prospecting wins easily.

Although I believe your opinion to be valid and just as possible, I still believe thoes investing/buying in Vintage and Star/HOF auto cards are doing so without need or want to make a flip. They are more established in there funds and are buying what they like without the promis of monitary reimbursement. Prospectors, by nature, are looking to make money. Which tends to lend credence that they are less likely to be financially established. Thus, I am inclined to think a sour economy will hurt the prospectors/lemmings first and foremost.

I've noticed the opposite trends. The people on here, mainly prospectors, tend to be way more financially secure than the player/team collectors on other boards I see.

I've compared the amount of threads asking for money desperately in any which way, jobs posted on all sites on the members, etc.

I totally agree that prospectors are usually investors. Now, wouldn't you think that investors are usually the ones that are richer? Sure, some fail, but investors have more money to pour into something than generally hobbyists do.

Judging the state of the hobby by the reflection givin here is majorly skewed in the por-prospector light, and thus not really valid as an argument. And an investor in the stock market may be well off, but not necessairly with baseball cards. However, a few exceptions do not negate the rule..

I can truely appreciate your point of view though..

As I said before, I'm not going off of this board. I'm going off of other boards that have tens of thousands of members, as well. Thus, I'd think it's pretty valid, wouldn't you? I mean if you can't help judge the card market by how thousands of collectors are following market trends, then how can you? Do you need MILLIONS to find out?

I'm also not judging this based off of the stock market. I told you I was also basing this off of facts posted by such people.[/quote:2aof900x]


Come on my man, I'm not new to the internet...

Even if you are baising your opinion on multiple forums, even if they have thousands of users, its still only a small fraction of users who post daily thus contributing to your opinion of the state of the hobby, and even then its only based on 'hobby forums' populated by the small fraction of collectors who venture to online forums.

I'm in no way debating your opinion, just pointing out the fact its based, by your own submission, on a very small percentage of people comparitivly speaking, thus not truely valid for arguments sake.

And you were trying to link the term 'investor' as a term of wealth to 'prospector' which it is absolutely not. Infact, I would imagine 99% of prospectors invest less than $10,000 a year in 'prospecting'. Which compared to the more traditional term for investing(stocks) is certinly not wealthy.


I base my judgment, not only using the same fashon as you, but also with talking to other collectors at shows and shops, not to mention shop owners and such. Ultimatly, as I have said time and time again, my opinion is just that, no more valid than yours. Just different..